【專題訪問 Interview Feature】2019年度香港大學學生會周年大選中央幹事會候選内閣蒼傲訪問(外務篇) | Interview with Prism, the Proposed Cabinet of Executive Committee, The Hong Kong University Students’ Union of Annual Election 2019 (External Affairs)
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中央幹事會候選內閣蒼傲就外務議題接受本台訪問,就不同外務議題立場,包括不反對政府取締民族黨的原因、相信政府DQ議員合法的理據、初一事件有黑幫介入的看法、及對法律制度有信心的理由等發表意見。
訪問節錄如下:
1. 你們的政治光譜/政治立場是甚麼?
我們認為用現有的名詞並不能表達我們莊的政治立場,因為例如本土、港獨等,第一他們並沒有清晰的界定,或是社會一致的定義,我們都認為不論是政治光譜或是政治立場我們作為香港人或是香港接受教育的人,其實我們的立場都會傾向由香港出發。但由香港出發去考慮香港利益時,我們都要考慮時間軸。時間軸的意思是,我們到底在考慮短期還是長期的利益。加上香港的地理位置、經濟結構其實都十分依賴世界上大部份的國家,不論金融、出口產業,所以在考慮香港利益同時,我們都應考慮鄰近國家的政策、議案的推出。所以如果要用幾個字去形容我們的政治立場,我們會選擇「國際視野,本土出發」八個字。前者是考想利益的角度,後者是執行的角度。
2. 你們是否支持香港獨立?
首先我們認為它可以被自由地討論,特別是在大學之內。至於是否贊成香港獨立方面,港獨並非香港現時可執行最好的決策,因為尚有很多的選擇可加以考慮及討論。另外我認為香港內部的問題都非常嚴峻,例如我們在政綱小册子上提到的外務議題,如學生自殺、高樓價、創新科技嚴重落後等問題。這些都是我們內部必須解決和面對的問題,所以我們會將那些內部問題列為最優先需要處理的問題。
3. 你們覺得香港獨立是否合法?
我們認為任何符合法例的討論都是可被接受的,所以我們認為只要某個人或團體在現時完善的法律制度下,加上沒有違反法律,就應可就不同議題提出想法。
4. 你們是否同意香港政府取締香港民族黨?
首先我們相信香港的法治仍然相當完善,所以就香港一套完整司法制度體系下做出的判決,我們並沒有太多質疑或反對。對於民族黨被政府取締或禁止,社會上有不同聲音,但我們相信我們應遵守絕大部分香港市民都認同是完善的法律體系下作出的任何決策。
5. 你們是否同意香港政府DQ議員?
其實我們由始至終都相信,而坊間一些調查機構都指出香港的法治制度在世界上都名列前茅,所以我們相信這套法治制度可以帶來公平的審訊,所以對於有部分議員被DQ,我們願意相信整個判決過程是公平的,並且有足夠理據去支持政府所作的判決,所以我們對這件事沒有任何特別意見。
6. 你們是否支持人大釋法?
每一個法律的訂立,其實都是由一小部分的精英去開始建構框架,然後隨社會的進步不斷完善。所以法律並非一本已經印刷好的書,而是容許我們不斷修改、去完善,就一些前人的不足作補完。人大釋法亦都如是,我相信重點是我們希望這法列在微調後能得到愈來愈多香港人的支持,這才是一個成功的新詮釋。
7. 你們是否同意一國兩制?
我們支持所有在香港回歸時所簽訂的條文,其中當然包括一國兩制。
8. 你們是否支持國歌法和23條立法?
因為爭議聲非常之多,所以我們不希望對任何未實施或未明文規定的法例作出過多評論。這是對該法案有所偏頗,該法案到最後還有很多相議的空間,所以我們認為政府應充分考慮各種聲音,從而推出一條為大部分港人所接受的法例。
9. 你們對違法達義有何看法?
香港作為擁有完善法律的城市,任何人都有表達訴求或是行動的權利。我們主張每人都有自由去決定自己的事、想表達的聲音,但每人都應為這些行為勇敢承擔相認的法律責任。當然我們更相信這套法律體系是完善和公平的。
10. 你們對初一事件有何看法?
對旺角騷動,很多報紙傳媒都報道了有不法份子甚至黑社會的介入,所以旺角騷動的那一批示威者是否單純為表達而表達的市民呢?
11. 你們是否同意政府以暴動罪控告參與者?
就對這幾名人士進行拘捕的行為,我們希望香港政府有真憑實據去支持,以及整個審訊過程認該要公平。我希望他們得到公平的審訊。
Campus TV has interviewed with Prism, the Proposed Cabinet of Executive Committee, The Hong Kong University Students’ Union, Session 2019, with regards to their treatment of external affairs. Prism has expressed their stance and opinions on various external issues, which include: their not opposing the Hong Kong government’s banning of the Hong Kong National Party, believing in the government’s legitimacy for the disqualification of legislators, believing in the involvement of gangs in the Mong Kok Incident of 2016, and expressing their confidence in the current legal system.
The interview excerpts are as follows:
1. Where do you stand on the political spectrum? / How would you define your political stance?
We believe the current word items are unable to express our Cabinet’s political stance. For example, if you consider the term localism or Hong Kong independence, these groups have not a clear boundary or universal definition given by the society. Whether it be the political spectrum or political stance, us who are Hong Kong-ers or who have been educated in Hong Kong, have a tendency to think from the standpoint of Hong Kong. If we consider the benefits from the standpoint of Hong Kong, we also need to consider the timeline. This (the timeline) means, that we should consider if these benefits are of short term or long term. Therefore, when considering Hong Kong’s benefits, we should also consider the policies and bills of neighbouring countries. Therefore, if we had to define our political stance in terms, it would be “international perspective that comes from a local standpoint”. The former is a consideration to the benefits, the latter is a consideration to the execution.
2. Do you support Hong Kong independence?
Firstly, we think this matter could be discussed freely, especially within the premises of the University. In terms of agreeing with Hong Kong independence, we think that Hong Kong independence is currently not the best option to be executed in Hong Kong, because there are still many other options to consider and discuss about. In addition, I think that Hong Kong’s internal affairs are very severe, like the external affairs that are mentioned in our campaign booklet, for example, students’ suicides, rising property prices, the severely outdated innovation and technology. These are problems that our internal department has to confront and resolve, therefore we put these internal affairs as our priority.
3. Do you think that Hong Kong independence is legal?
We believe any discussion that is in compliance with the law is acceptable. Therefore, we think that under the current, comprehensive legal system, with no breaching of the law, a person or group should be allowed to speak their thoughts on different issues.
4. Do you agree with Hong Kong government’s banning of the Hong Kong National Party?
Firstly, we believe that Hong Kong’s rule of law is still quite comprehensive. Therefore, we do not have much hesitation nor opposition for a judgment that is based on what we consider to be an intact judicial system of Hong Kong. In terms of the banning of the Hong Kong National Party, the society has different voices, but we believe we ought to obey the judgment that comes from what the majority of Hong Kong considers to be a comprehensive legal system.
5. Do you agree with Hong Kong government’s disqualification of legislators?
Actually, we have since the very beginning believed in Hong Kong’s rule of law as quite a frontrunner in the world; this has been backed by some survey organisations within the community too, so we believe that this rule of law can bring out a fair trial. Therefore, in regards to the disqualification of some legislators, we willingly believe that the entirety of the judgment process has been fair, with sufficient arguments to back up the government’s verdict. We do not express any special opinions towards this incident.
6. Do you support the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress’ Interpretation of the Basic Law (SCNPC's Interpretation of BL, or Interpretation of the Basic Law by the SCNPC)?
For the enactment of every legislation, it starts from a small portion of elites that begin to build its (the legislation’s) framework, it then continues to be improved as society grows. For this reason, the law is not a printed book, it allows us to continually amend, better, and complete items that are left neglected or faulted by predecessors. This applies for the SCNPC's Interpretation of BL, I believe the most important thing is, we hope to gain more Hong Kong-ers’ support under these fine-tunings (by the SCNPC's Interpretation of BL), we think this is what counts as a successful re-interpretation of the law.
7. Do you agree with the constitutional principle of “one country, two systems”?
We support all the terms that were signed in the Handover of Hong Kong, and this definitely includes the principle of “one country, two systems”.
8. Do you support the National Anthem Bill and the enactment of Article 23?
Due to the many controversies on this matter, we do not wish to comment on any legislation that has yet to be implemented or stipulated in explicit terms. This would be a prejudice on the said bill(s). These bills still have a lot of room for negotiation, so we believe the government should consider different voices, so as to introduce a legislation that is accepted by the majority of Hong Kong-ers.
9. What are your views on the idea of achieving justice by violating the law?
Hong Kong is a city with a comprehensive legal system; anyone has the right to express their own appeal or action. We advocate that everyone has the freedom to decide for their own deeds and express their own thoughts, but everyone should also be responsible to bear the consequences of their actions. Needless to say, we definitely believe that our legal system is perfect and fair.
10. What are your views on the Mong Kok Incident in 2016?
With regards to the Mong Kok unrest, many media sources have reported about the involvement of many illegal parties, and even that of gangs or triads. So, are the demonstrators in the Mong Kok unrest really with pure intentions to speak up, for the sake of expressing themselves as Hong Kong citizens?
11. Do you agree with the government’s decision to charge participants (of the Mong Kok Incident in 2016) with the offence of rioting?
With regards to the arrest of those participants, we hope that the Hong Kong government has had solid evidence to support (their arrest), and that the trial process has been fair. I hope they receive a fair trial.
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《親密戲導演》
American Theatre,2018年11月號。
《演員的親密戲》
擷自內文:
「性愛場景,如同設計武打場,或是舞蹈動作一般,需要同樣細心編排的動作設計,特別是在這個 #MeToo時代。 」
「我在研究所時期也是演員,所以我有親身體驗—那種來自同事的不恰當經驗,一起跟我上台的人,或是導演完全不知道該怎麼處理這些(親密戲)場景,所以他們索性就完全不處理。」Sina說 「如果你有一個比較年長的導演,碰到親密戲他會跟你們說:你們就做吧,就試看各種可能。所以你們就開始在性愛場景中即興,這是非常不舒服的經驗,而且大多數時候非常令人受傷。」
「親密戲的指示,從來沒有在演員Emily與她的女搭檔編排動作設計遇到困難時出現(她們當時在編排一個充滿戲劇衝突的雙人愛情戲),即使Emily之前演過同性間的愛情戲,她仍然發現自己舉步維艱, 而她的導演除了不斷對著她們大吼舞臺指示「洶湧的情慾」以外,毫無建樹。兩位演員根本沒有辦法自己演完這場戲,而她們發現到了排練最後階段,她們的導演對著她們大喊「就做吧。時候到了。」
「劇場的一切都是假的,」Sina說,「那是一個由演員搬演的假故事,我們必須永遠記得這點,你不應該因此失去自我,你必須在自我跟所做事情之間取得很好的平衡。是的,你必須把自己奉獻給角色,但你也必須要在適當時候離開。」
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Intimate Exchanges
Sex scenes require as much careful choreography as flight or dances, especially in the #MeToo era.
《交換親密》
性愛場景,如同設計武打場,或是舞蹈動作一般,需要同樣細心編排的動作設計,特別是在這個 #MeToo時代。
Adam Noble had been teaching an advanced scene class for just one month when he faced a startling encounter with sexual assault in acting. A student came to him asking for a new scene partner, saying she thought the man she had been working with, on the final scene between Stanley and Blanche in A Streetcar Named Desire, had tried to rape her.
Adam Noble在他的進階場景分析課上遇到一件令他膽戰心驚的表演性騷擾事件,一名學生跟他要求更換場景搭檔,她說她的搭檔企圖在他們一起工作《慾望街車》最後一景Stanley跟Blanche的戲時,企圖強暴她。
Noble immediately offered to serve as a mediator for the two students, who had been rehearsing alone in the young man’s dorm room, in order to clarify what had happened. The situation was resolved as a misunderstanding, and the two were able to continue working together. But for Noble, who had staged his first theatrical flight in 1992, the incident served as a wake-up call.
Noble立即以協調者身分為兩位同學提供幫助(他們一直單獨在男同學宿舍房間單獨排練),以求能夠釐清事實真相。後來發現整起事件其實是個誤會,兩位同學也因此能夠繼續一起順利工作。但對於Noble來說—他從1992年就設計了他的人生第一場舞台打搏鬥戲—這起突發事件有如一記響鐘。
“We were sending these kids off on their own devices with no foundation for how to approach this stuff,” he recalled. The lack of resources for both students and teachers regarding the staging of intimate scenes was apparent.
「我們讓這些孩子在完全不具備如何處理理這種事的相關基礎知識時候,就放手要他們自己發展,」他這麼回憶。「因此,老師與學生雙方都缺乏排練親密戲的必須知識,這件事是顯而易見的。」
Noble developed a method called Extreme Stage Physicality to provide students with a framework to address what he called in an article for The Flight Master maginize “scenarios of intense physicality” with comfort and confidence. He began teaching ESP to high school, undergraduate, nd graduate students across the country. He found that the methodology was effective for all ages, and the number of reported incidents and problems dropped to zero.
Noble後來發展出了一套他稱之為「極端舞台形體」(ESP)的技巧,他對《The Fight Master》雜誌表⽰這個技巧提供了一組完整架構給學生使用,讓他們在「激烈的肢體情境」中可以感到安心並且擁有自信。他開始在高中、大學、研究所教導這套ESP技巧。他發現這套方法適用於所有年齡層,後來這些單位的性騷擾通報數量為零。
“For me as a director, it had to work for aggression, and it had to work for intimacy,” Noble said. “ It had to work across the board for those moments when the body steps in to fill the void, whether it’s violence or intimacy. Theres’s a point where the text and the words are no longer enough and the body steps in. There had to be a way for them to work on it safely.”
「身為導演,我認為在工作時,必須涵蓋侵略性以及親密性這些面向,」Noble說,「這些都必須要被全面地工作到的,特別是在那些時刻,當你的身體必須要介入來填補空缺的時候,會有那麼一個點,光靠文本跟台詞已經不足以支撐而你的身體必須要介入,在這時候必須要有一個安全工作的方法。」
That way would later be referred to as intimacy choreography, a term first used in 2006 by Tonia Sina, creator of the Intimacy Directors International. While studying movement pedagogy, including flowing and mime, Sina was helping to choreograph intimate scenes in student-directed plays and found what she described as “a hole” in choreography and no resources to help with her work.
那套方法,後來被「國際親密戲導演工作坊」創辦人之一Tonia Sina稱為「親密戲形體排練」。當 Sina在鑽研動作教育學時—其中包含小丑與默劇—一面幫忙在學生執導的劇目中擔任動作設計,就在這時候,她發現了在動作設計這個領域中的「空缺」,而這方面,她發現自己完全沒有任何資源可以幫上忙。
For her thesis he created a technique to help actors improve the conditions of their work as well as the results. Published in 2006, “ Intimate Encounters; Staging Intimacy and Sensuality” drew from her own experience as an actor. While attending graduate school at Virginia Commonwealth University, Sina’s personal life was disrupted due to the lack of structure provided for staging intimate sscenes. While rehearsing Picasso at the Latin Agile, she and her acting partner staged a love scene together, alone-a standard practice for such scenarios- with unnerving results.
她在她的論文創造了一套技巧,來幫助演員精進他們工作的狀態以及成果。2006年,她從自身演員經驗出發,發表了《親密接觸:表演中的親密性及其感官性》。大學就讀維吉尼亞聯邦大學時,Sina的私生活就因為沒有一套擁有完整架構的技巧來排演親密場景,而深受其苦。在排練Picasso at the Latin Agile 時,Sina跟她的表演搭擋需要排練一段愛情戲,而且是獨自排練—一個司空見慣的情況—然後最後結果卻令人不安。
“The second our lips touched it was not rehearing,” Sina recalled. “It was just kissing. We both felt it. We both knew. It ended up spiraling. We ended up leaving our parters for a month and we had a showmance. It caused a lot of mayhem in our personal lives because we couldn’t let these characters go. We didn’t have a safe way to do the intimacy, and we didn’t have a safe way of coming out of it.”
「當我們的嘴唇碰在一起時,那就不是在排練了。」Sina回憶道。「那就只是單純在接吻而已。我們都感覺到了,最後越演越烈,我們都因此而跟各自伴侶分手,在那個演出期間我們的私生活真的變得很混亂,因為我們都不肯放下我們劇中角色。我們沒有一個安全的方法來做親密戲,也沒有一個安全的方法來離開它。」
The two dated for a month, but their romantic relationship ended shortly after the show closed. And while Sina’s experience was consensual, there are many cases in which an intimacy director could have prevented non-consensual encounters and abuses of power, especially for young women in the industry.
他們兩個交往了一個月,但隨著戲告一段落感情也就馬上結束了。儘管Sina的案例是當事者雙方都心甘情願,仍然有非常多的例子不是如此,在那樣的狀況下其實親密戲導演是有大把機會可以防止這種違反自身意願的接觸,以及權力的濫用,特別是對業界年輕女性而言。
“While I was in grad school I was also an actress, so I was experiencing it firsthand- situations that had been completely inappropriate from co-workers, people who had been onstage with me, director and there’s a sex scene and they say, ‘You guys just do it. Just try something.’ So you’re improvising a sex scene with your partner. That’s extremely uncomfortable and very victimizing at times.”
「我在研究所時期也是演員,所以我有親身體驗—那種來自同事的不恰當經驗,一起跟我上台的人,或是導演完全不知道該怎麼處理這些(親密戲)場景,所以他們索性就完全不處理。」Sina說 「如果你有一個比較年長的導演,碰到親密戲他會跟你們說:你們就做吧,就試看各種可能。所以你們就開始在性愛場景中即興,這是非常不舒服的經驗,而且大多數時候非常令人受傷。」
Alcoa Rodies, co-founder of Intimacy Directors Internatial, witnessed and was a victim in such scenarios throughout her career. After almost chipping a tooth when a scene partner decided to intensify a kiss onstage, she was told, “ That’s part of the profession. Get used to it.” Knowing there were hundreds of other women who would gladly take her spot in a show if she left, Rodis thought she had to accept that kind of behavior for the rest of her career.
IDI共同創辦人Alcia Rodis在她自己生涯中,親眼見過幾個案例,並且,也曾經有過身為受害者的經驗。在她的對手演員決定在場上把吻戲變得異常激烈時,她的牙齒幾乎都要裂了,儘管如此,她還是被告知「這行就是這樣。早點習慣吧。」因為Rodis清楚知道如果她選擇離開的話,會有其他幾百位女性會搶破頭想要她的位置,她一度以為她必須要在整個職涯中接受這種狀況。
“We sort of learned that’s not the case, and we don’t have to just take it. We can actually be part of the process and work together,” Rodis said.
「我們後來知道其實並不是這樣的,我們不需要逆來順受。我們其實可以在整個工作過程中同心協力地工作。」Rodis 說。
Sina and Rodies, along with co-founder Siobhan Richardson, created the Pillars, the core protocol of IDI’s work and teaching. A codified process, the Pillars consist of Context, Commumication, Consent and Choreography. (They recently estabished a fifth pillar, Closure, to assist actors in walking away from a character after a performance.) Not having this process, Sina said, can be damaging and dangerous.
Sina跟Rodis,以及創辦夥伴Siobhan Richardson發明了「骨幹」這個IDI在工作及教學上的核心要素草案。其中包含:文本、溝通、同意以及動作(近期還加上了第五個骨幹:收尾。來幫助演員在戲結束之後順利離開他的角色。)Sina說,沒有這些幫助的話,是有可能帶來危害的。
“None of it’s real-it’s theatre,” said Sina. “It’s a fake story that is being portrayed by actors, and we have to keep remembering that. You shouldn’t be losing yourself. You need to have some semblance of yourself and some awareness of what you’re doing. Yes you can commit to the character, but you need to come out again.”
「劇場的一切都是假的,」Sina說,「那是一個由演員搬演的假故事,我們必須永遠記得這點,你不應該因此失去自我,你必須在自我跟所做事情之間取得很好的平衡。是的,你必須把自己奉獻給角色,但你也必須要在適當時候離開。」
IDI currently recommends four certified Intimacy Directors, with 16 candidates in training to become certified. Currently only established movement teachers, choreographers, and directors who have worked directly with a founder are able to apply for training. The organization also offers workshops for actors, directors who want to learn basic consent and choreography, and for stage managers and choreographers wanting to learn more about intimacy direction. In August 2018, a 10-day International Intimacy Pedagogy was held in Illinois.
IDI最近推薦了四位經過認證的親密戲導演,陸續還有其他十六位正在培訓。目前,機構只提供專業的、並且曾和創辦者共事過的動作老師、編舞以及導演可以申請接受培訓。IDI有提供工作坊給演員及導演學習「同意」與「動作」的基礎概念,另有舉辦工作坊,給有意願了解更多關於「如何給予親密戲指示」的舞臺經理與動作設計。2018年8月,他們在伊利諾州舉辦了為期10天的國際親密戲教育學工作坊。
Along with the Pillars, another crucial aspect of intimacy directing is recognizing and respecting traumas in one’s colleagues. All IDI-certified choreographers have completed state-offered metal health certification courses.
除了「骨幹」之外,另有一個至關重要的概念:辨識並且尊重同事的創傷。所有IDI的動作設計都完成了由州政府認證的心理健康課程。
“None of us are therapists, and none of us are counselors,” Rodis said. “But we know what to do if someone is having a metal health crisis, and we know what resources to give them. Because of the nature of the work we’re doing, and because some of us are so new, we’re getting further education on trauma.”
「我們都不是心理治療師,我們也都不是諮商師,」Rodis說「但是,我們知道當有人心理出現危機時該給他們什麼資源。因為就我們現在所做的工作本質上來說,我們都是新手,所以我們有必要持續在創傷這個議題上進修。」
While recognizing that theatre professionals are just that- professionals hired to tell a story- the founders also understand that that job can involve actors putting themselves through traumatic experiences night after night.
“We know what you’re doing is different than going to the office every day,” Rodis said, “If you’re playing Lady Macbeth every night, after a while it’s going to wear on you. So we also offer resources on how to close out at the end of every night.”
正因為知道劇場這個職業就是由一群受聘的專業演員來講一則故事,創辦者清楚的認識到這個工作可能需要演員讓他們自己日復一日、夜復一夜的經歷那些創傷。「我們明⽩你的工作不同於朝九晚五的上班族,」Rodis說,「如果妳每天晚上都在飾演馬克白夫人,過一陣子這個角色其實是會影響到妳本人的,正因為如此,我們也提供方法讓你在每晚演出過後把角色給關起來。」
One such resource is the ability to discuss sexuality and sexual experiences openly and without discomfort- a shift from the norm in American culture, which, as actor/director/teacher Claire Warden observed, has little problem with violence but tends to balk when it comes to sex, leaving directors feeling uncomfortable and embarrassed.
其中一個資源,就是擁有能力來討論性以及性經驗而不會感到不適。談論性這件事,不同於具有多重身份(演員、導演與老師)的Claire Warden觀察到的一個美國文化現象:談到暴力時大家都沒問題,不過一但談到性的時候大家都顯得有點畏畏縮縮的,這其實讓導演們都覺得不舒服與尷尬。
“We’ve got this really skewed view of sex and sexuality and intimacy, and an obsession with it,“ Warden Said, “ A lot of shame, judgment, power, and confusion lies around it, which has made it uncomfortable and awkward to talk about openly.” The root problem, she said, may be that “sexuality and intimacy have kind of blurred into one.”
「我們對於性與親密的相關議題有一種扭曲的觀念,同時卻又深深為其著迷」Warden說,「這同時又有許多羞愧、判斷、權力以及困惑參雜其中,因此讓它成為一個公開談論時會帶來不適與尷尬的議題。」根據她說,其實真正根深蒂固的問題是,我們把「性」與「親密」混為一談。
Intimacy direction was never mentioned when an actor we’ll call Emily(not her real name) was performing in a dramatic two-handler and struggled to choreograph a love scene with her female scene partner. Having never performed a same-sex love scene before, Emily found herself at a loss, and her director- whose only technique was to yell the stage direction “Rolling heat!” Repeatedly- was no help. The two actors were unable to stage the scene on their own and found themselves onstage at the end of rehearsal with the director yelling. “Just do it. It’s time.”
親密戲的指導,從來沒有在演員Emily與她的女搭檔編排動作設計遇到困難時出現(她們當時在編排一個充滿戲劇衝突的雙人愛情戲),即使Emily之前演過同性間的愛情戲,她仍然發現自己舉步維艱, 而她的導演除了不斷對著她們大吼舞臺指示「洶湧的情慾」以外,毫無建樹。兩位演員根本沒有辦法自己演完這場戲,而她們發現到了排練最後階段,她們的導演對著她們大喊「就做吧。時候到了。」
Emily recalled that “when it came time to do it in performances, fight director friends of mine ho came to see the how said, ‘That look incredibly uncomfortable for you both. You looked like you were in pain and it was obvious.’’’ Her friends asked her where the intimacy director was. Emily had never heard of such a director, saying, “ I wish I’d known about it at the time when all the yelling was happening.”
Emily後來說,「後來真的演出時,我有個舞台搏鬥導演朋友來看演出,到了所謂的『就做吧』片段時,他說『那看起來對妳們兩個都極其不舒服,妳們看起來超痛苦,而且非常明顯。」她的朋友繼續問她親密戲導演在哪。Emily那時從來沒有聽過有「親密戲導演」這種導演,她說「我真希望在所有的吼叫發叫的當下,我能夠知道『其實有親密戲導演』這件事。」
Emily now a director herself, said she is carful to ensure that her actors are comfortable when staging intimate scenes. “I am hyper-aware of my actors’ sensitivity and I’m constantly checking in with them: ‘Are you okay? Are you comfortable with this? Let me know if you’re not comfortable. We don’t have to do this. We can do something else.’ And my actors thank me for it. They’re not used to that.”
現在身為導演的Emily表示:「在排練親密戲時,我總是對我的演員的感受保持超級高的敏感度,我會不停的詢問他們『你還好嗎?你對這個覺得自在嗎?如果有不舒服要讓我知道。我們不一定要這麼做,我們可以有替代方案的。』我的演員總是對此心存感激,他們對這樣的工作方式其實還不是那麼習慣。」
Uncomfortable situations can present themselves with or without directors in the room. Often scene partners are encouraged to stage the scenes on their own, outside of rehearsal, a practice that can lead to feelings of fear and helplessness. Sina was kissed inappropriately- a kiss that hadn’t been choreographed or rehearsed- in front of an audience of 500 people and had to be in character as she received it.
不舒服的狀況不論導演在不在場都有可能發生。通常演員們會被鼓勵私下自己排練,其實,這麼做很容易引發恐懼與無助感。Sina曾在500位觀眾面前被不當的親吻—一個沒被事先設計或是排練過的吻 —而她在被親的同時還要想辦法讓自己「待在角色裡」。
“There are times where it’s, ‘Kiss, but don’t kiss until previews.’ It’s the worst,” Rodis said. “At best it’s a bad story, at worst they start grabbing you, ‘be in the moment.’ That’s the definition of assault.”
「有時候的情況是親,但是在試演前不會真的親,那種是最糟的。」Rodis說,「當那種狀況發生時,你能得到最好的結果是一個爛故事,最糟的結果是你開始被這件事給抓住還要『待在當下』, 這其實就是侵犯的定義。」
Along with establishing the definition of assault, IDI training also defines consent in clear, unquestionable terms that differentiate between that and permission. A director can give permission to touch another actor, but only a fellow actor can give consent.
除了建立侵犯的定義以外,IDI還以清清楚楚、不容模糊的語彙界定了「同意」與「允許」的差異。 導演可以「允許」演員去觸摸對手,但只有對手演員自己才可以真的表示「同意」。
“The conversation is always very professional and technical, so when we’re talking about parts of the body, it’s the biological name of the part of the body.” said Warden. “And we as intimacy directors never ask anything about and never inquire about the actors’, directors’ or anyone else’s personal sexual life, history, story, proclivities, etc.”
「所有的討論都是非常專業的,當我們必須要談論身體的部位時,我們都會用生物學名稱。」 Warden說,「身為親密戲導演,我們絕對不會去問任何演員、導演或是任何人的個人性愛生活、歷史、故事或是性傾向...等等任何事情。」
The language doesn’t change when the workshops contain students, Warden said, though she may move more slowly.
語彙的使用並不會因為工作坊有學生而改變,Warden說,只是她會教的更慢而已。
“A lot of what we’re saying for adults is still, ‘That is not real. None of this is real.’’’ said Sina. “In rehearsal, we don’t add acting to it until the very last minute, We choreograph it like we do anything else. Just do the moves so everyone knows what’s happening. Then they can add the emotion to it when the actors are ready and they feel they know the choreography well enough. And if you can get that to happen for minors, it separates the sexuality from the choreography and allows them to treat it like it is: choreography.”
「即便我們跟成年人都一直在強調『這都不是真的,這一切都是假的。』」Sina說。「排練的時候,我們不到最後一分鐘是不會加上『表演』的。在最後關頭之前。我們都像是處理其他素材一樣,做形體動作讓大家都知道會發生什麼事。一直到演員們都準備好了,對動作都夠熟悉時,他們才會真的帶入感情去演出。如果你能夠讓這些未成年先開始這麼做,慢慢的所有人就能夠把性跟動作設計分開來來看,然後以正確的眼光看它:動作設計。」
The inability to treat intimate scenes as simply choreography is a problem Sina has observed at numerous drama competitions, where students without sexual experience or knowledge, let alone the ability to separate themselves from the characters they were playing, have performed sex scenes. These situations can be traumatizing for people without the knowledge or resources to handle it.
Sina在無數個戲劇比賽上觀察到一個問題,學生們往無法把親密場景當成動作設計一樣來處理,這群學生們沒有性經驗或是相關知識,想當然就無法在性愛戲中把自己跟扮演的人物切割開來看待。這種狀況是非常有可能讓人受創的,特別是對那些沒有相關知識,或是資源來處理這種狀況的人。
“If they’re not being led through it properly, it can be very, very dangerous,” she said. “It’s illegal in our country to do anything sexual with a minor or have two minors do something sexual in front of an adult. It’s very thin line between choreography and a crime when you’re dealing with minors.”
「如果他們沒有被好好引導的話,那真的非常非常的危險。」她說,「根據我們國家的法律,讓一個或多個未成年人在成年人面前做出帶有性愛意味的事情是違法的。所以面對未成年時,在『動作設計』跟『犯罪』之間其實只有一條非常模糊的線。」
Demand for IDI services and training has spiked in the past year, since the #MeToo movement has exposed abuse in the entertainment field, including theatre, and the issues of consent and empowerment in the workplace (not to mention outside of it) have become central.
自從去年#MeToo運動開始後,對IDI這個機構的服務與訓練來說,他們面臨了重要挑戰。在娛樂產業(包含劇場)的職場上(更別提職場外也是),現在,關於「同意」與「權力」的議題都變得重要無比了。
“At the moment there’s so much need and demand and only so many of us to go around,” Warden said. “I cannot be in every single room and play out there, but what I can do is empower actors or directors or even stag managers to go into a room and say, ‘I would like to offer a way of talking about this.”
「目前來看,親密戲導演的需求與實際從業人數是不成正比的,」Warden說。「很顯然的,我不可能出現在每一個房間裡指導,但我可以做的是賦予演員、導演甚是舞臺經理權力,讓他們能夠在每個房間替自己發聲『我想要提供另外一種工作方式』。」
Also encouraging to Warden is the increased awareness among young students.
對Warden來說,令他欣慰的是年輕一代學生中對這件事情有意識的人數越來越多了。
“My hope, my intentions and my dream is that the next generation of actors, writers, and directors come out with a very different understating of respect and consent with their bodies and each others’ bodies,” Warden said. “And that leads us into an even more free and safe way to creat deep, authentic, risky stories.”
「我的願望、我的本意、以及我的夢想都是下個世代的演員、作家、以及導演都能夠對他們自己以及他人的身體,有一種非常不同於現在的理解、尊重、權利,」Warden說,「這可以讓我們以更自由,同時也更加安全的方式來創造出具深度、真誠、精彩的故事。」
Carey Purcell, New York city-based reporter
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