Jenna Cody :
Is Taiwan a real China?
No, and with the exception of a few intervening decades - here’s the part that’ll surprise you - it never has been.
This’ll blow your mind too: that it never has been doesn’t matter.
So let’s start with what doesn’t actually matter.
Until the 1600s, Taiwan was indigenous. Indigenous Taiwanese are not Chinese, they’re Austronesian. Then it was a Dutch colony (note: I do not say “it was Dutch”, I say it was a Dutch colony). Then it was taken over by Ming loyalists at the end of the Ming dynasty (the Ming loyalists were breakaways, not a part of the new Qing court. Any overlap in Ming rule and Ming loyalist conquest of Taiwan was so brief as to be inconsequential).
Only then, in the late 1600s, was it taken over by the Chinese (Qing). But here’s the thing, it was more like a colony of the Qing, treated as - to use Emma Teng’s wording in Taiwan’s Imagined Geography - a barrier or barricade keeping the ‘real’ Qing China safe. In fact, the Qing didn’t even want Taiwan at first, the emperor called it “a ball of mud beyond the pale of civilization”. Prior to that, and to a great extent at that time, there was no concept on the part of China that Taiwan was Chinese, even though Chinese immigrants began moving to Taiwan under Dutch colonial rule (mostly encouraged by the Dutch, to work as laborers). When the Spanish landed in the north of Taiwan, it was the Dutch, not the Chinese, who kicked them out.
Under Qing colonial rule - and yes, I am choosing my words carefully - China only controlled the Western half of Taiwan. They didn’t even have maps for the eastern half. That’s how uninterested in it they were. I can’t say that the Qing controlled “Taiwan”, they only had power over part of it.
Note that the Qing were Manchu, which at the time of their conquest had not been a part of China: China itself essentially became a Manchu imperial holding, and Taiwan did as well, once they were convinced it was not a “ball of mud” but actually worth taking. Taiwan was not treated the same way as the rest of “Qing China”, and was not administered as a province until (I believe) 1887. So that’s around 200 years of Taiwan being a colony of the Qing.
What happened in the late 19th century to change China’s mind? Japan. A Japanese ship was shipwrecked in eastern Taiwan in the 1870s, and the crew was killed by hostile indigenous people in what is known as the Mudan Incident. A Japanese emissary mission went to China to inquire about what could be done, only to be told that China had no control there and if they went to eastern Taiwan, they did so at their own peril. China had not intended to imply that Taiwan wasn’t theirs, but they did. Japan - and other foreign powers, as France also attempted an invasion - were showing an interest in Taiwan, so China decided to cement its claim, started mapping the entire island, and made it a province.
So, I suppose for a decade or so Taiwan was a part of China. A China that no longer exists.
It remained a province until 1895, when it was ceded to Japan after the (first) Sino-Japanese War. Before that could happen, Taiwan declared itself a Republic, although it was essentially a Qing puppet state (though the history here is interesting - correspondence at the time indicates that the leaders of this ‘Republic of Taiwan’ considered themselves Chinese, and the tiger flag hints at this as well. However, the constitution was a very republican document, not something you’d expect to see in Qing-era China.) That lasted for less than a year, when the Japanese took it by force.
This is important for two reasons - the first is that some interpretations of IR theory state that when a colonial holding is released, it should revert to the state it was in before it was taken as a colony. In this case, that would actually be The Republic of Taiwan, not Qing-era China. Secondly, it puts to rest all notions that there was no Taiwan autonomy movement prior to 1947.
In any case, it would be impossible to revert to its previous state, as the government that controlled it - the Qing empire - no longer exists. The current government of China - the PRC - has never controlled it.
After the Japanese colonial era, there is a whole web of treaties and agreements that do not satisfactorily settle the status of Taiwan. None of them actually do so - those which explicitly state that Taiwan is to be given to the Republic of China (such as the Cairo declaration) are non-binding. Those that are binding do not settle the status of Taiwan (neither the treaty of San Francisco nor the Treaty of Taipei definitively say that Taiwan is a part of China, or even which China it is - the Treaty of Taipei sets out what nationality the Taiwanese are to be considered, but that doesn’t determine territorial claims). Treaty-wise, the status of Taiwan is “undetermined”.
Under more modern interpretations, what a state needs to be a state is…lessee…a contiguous territory, a government, a military, a currency…maybe I’m forgetting something, but Taiwan has all of it. For all intents and purposes it is independent already.
In fact, in the time when all of these agreements were made, the Allied powers weren’t as sure as you might have learned about what to do with Taiwan. They weren’t a big fan of Chiang Kai-shek, didn’t want it to go Communist, and discussed an Allied trusteeship (which would have led to independence) or backing local autonomy movements (which did exist). That it became what it did - “the ROC” but not China - was an accident (as Hsiao-ting Lin lays out in Accidental State).
In fact, the KMT knew this, and at the time the foreign minister (George Yeh) stated something to the effect that they were aware they were ‘squatters’ in Taiwan.
Since then, it’s true that the ROC claims to be the rightful government of Taiwan, however, that hardly matters when considering the future of Taiwan simply because they have no choice. To divest themselves of all such claims (and, presumably, change their name) would be considered by the PRC to be a declaration of formal independence. So that they have not done so is not a sign that they wish to retain the claim, merely that they wish to avoid a war.
It’s also true that most Taiwanese are ethnically “Han” (alongside indigenous and Hakka, although Hakka are, according to many, technically Han…but I don’t think that’s relevant here). But biology is not destiny: what ethnicity someone is shouldn’t determine what government they must be ruled by.
Through all of this, the Taiwanese have evolved their own culture, identity and sense of history. They are diverse in a way unique to Taiwan, having been a part of Austronesian and later Hoklo trade routes through Southeast Asia for millenia. Now, one in five (I’ve heard one in four, actually) Taiwanese children has a foreign parent. The Taiwanese language (which is not Mandarin - that’s a KMT transplant language forced on Taiwanese) is gaining popularity as people discover their history. Visiting Taiwan and China, it is clear where the cultural differences are, not least in terms of civic engagement. This morning, a group of legislators were removed after a weekend-long pro-labor hunger strike in front of the presidential palace. They were not arrested and will not be. Right now, a group of pro-labor protesters is lying down on the tracks at Taipei Main Station to protest the new labor law amendments.
This would never be allowed in China, but Taiwanese take it as a fiercely-guarded basic right.
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Now, as I said, none of this matters.
What matters is self-determination. If you believe in democracy, you believe that every state (and Taiwan does fit the definition of a state) that wants to be democratic - that already is democratic and wishes to remain that way - has the right to self-determination. In fact, every nation does. You cannot be pro-democracy and also believe that it is acceptable to deprive people of this right, especially if they already have it.
Taiwan is already a democracy. That means it has the right to determine its own future. Period.
Even under the ROC, Taiwan was not allowed to determine its future. The KMT just arrived from China and claimed it. The Taiwanese were never asked if they consented. What do we call it when a foreign government arrives in land they had not previously governed and declares itself the legitimate governing power of that land without the consent of the local people? We call that colonialism.
Under this definition, the ROC can also be said to be a colonial power in Taiwan. They forced Mandarin - previously not a language native to Taiwan - onto the people, taught Chinese history, geography and culture, and insisted that the Taiwanese learn they were Chinese - not Taiwanese (and certainly not Japanese). This was forced on them. It was not chosen. Some, for awhile, swallowed it. Many didn’t. The independence movement only grew, and truly blossomed after democratization - something the Taiwanese fought for and won, not something handed to them by the KMT.
So what matters is what the Taiwanese want, not what the ROC is forced to claim. I cannot stress this enough - if you do not believe Taiwan has the right to this, you do not believe in democracy.
And poll after poll shows it: Taiwanese identify more as Taiwanese than Chinese (those who identify as both primarily identify as Taiwanese, just as I identify as American and Armenian, but primarily as American. Armenian is merely my ethnicity). They overwhelmingly support not unifying with China. The vast majority who support the status quo support one that leads to eventual de jure independence, not unification. The status quo is not - and cannot be - an endgame (if only because China has declared so, but also because it is untenable). Less than 10% want unification. Only a small number (a very small minority) would countenance unification in the future…even if China were to democratize.
The issue isn’t the incompatibility of the systems - it’s that the Taiwanese fundamentally do not see themselves as Chinese.
A change in China’s system won’t change that. It’s not an ethnic nationalism - there is no ethnic argument for Taiwan (or any nation - didn’t we learn in the 20th century what ethnicity-based nation-building leads to? Nothing good). It’s not a jingoistic or xenophobic nationalism - Taiwanese know that to be dangerous. It’s a nationalism based on shared identity, culture, history and civics. The healthiest kind of nationalism there is. Taiwan exists because the Taiwanese identify with it. Period.
There are debates about how long the status quo should go on, and what we should risk to insist on formal recognition. However, the question of whether or not to be Taiwan, not China…
…well, that’s already settled.
The Taiwanese have spoken and they are not Chinese.
Whatever y’all think about that doesn’t matter. That’s what they want, and if you believe in self-determination you will respect it.
If you don’t, good luck with your authoritarian nonsense, but Taiwan wants nothing to do with it.
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人氣洋將無誤!
希望下次我們的英文職棒轉播,能再看到萊福力的身影!
💕「愛台灣,我的選擇」系列第8發:投手萊福力的棒球心聲⚾️
我來自北加州一個叫蘇珊維爾的小鎮,小鎮人口大約兩萬人。大學期間,我獲得美式足球獎學金,進入薩克拉門托州立大學就讀,當時我打棒球也打美式足球,並得到傳播與商業行銷學位。今年是我打職業棒球的第14年。我在美國打了9年棒球,我先是受科羅拉多洛磯隊招募,後來在舊金山巨人隊打了7年,最後2年我為華盛頓國民隊效力。我也曾經在墨西哥、委內瑞拉和日本打球。3年前,我有一個機會,可以選擇留在墨西哥或來台灣打球。我深深地被台灣文化吸引,這個地方很棒,對家庭非常友善,這點對我、妻子和我們剛出生的孩子尤其重要!台灣隨處可見哺乳室、親子廁所、及室內兒童遊樂設施,所有一切都很適合家庭,這是台灣吸引我們的很大原因。另外,在台灣打棒球真的很棒,尤其是球迷的加油聲,這是我在世界其他地方從來沒有體驗過的!我曾在7個國家打過棒球,在來台灣之前,我從沒有這種經驗,球迷會不斷的為我加油和跳舞,即使我當天表現得不好,球迷仍幫我加油,就算某局我打得爛透了,他們也會大喊:「下次會更好!」台灣的棒球因為球迷而獨一無二,身為一個美國人,可以在台灣打球是我莫大的榮幸。💕
⚾️萊福力為美國棒球投手, 2018年起來台發展,目前效力於中信兄弟隊。
💕Why I Chose Taiwan # 8 💕 - Mitchell Lively's baseball path
“I’m from a small town in Northern California called Susanville. I think the population may be 20,000. I went on a football scholarship to Sacramento State University, and I played football and baseball while I got my degree in communications and business marketing. This is my fourteenth year playing baseball professionally. I played nine years in the United States: got drafted by the Colorado Rockies, then I spent seven years with the San Francisco Giants, then two years with the Washington Nationals. I’ve also played in Mexico, Venezuela, and Japan. I got a choice about three years ago to stay in Mexico or to come here to Taiwan. I was really intrigued with the culture here. This place is amazing. It’s very family-friendly, especially having my wife here with a new-born baby. There’s breast-feeding rooms, family bathrooms, indoor play places. I mean, everything about this place is family-friendly and that’s one thing that really drew us to coming here. Plus, the baseball here is unbelievable -- the fan support, the cheering -- it’s something that I’ve never experienced anywhere. I’ve played in seven countries, and I have never seen anything like it. They have the non-stop cheering and dancing. Even if you’re doing bad out there, they are still cheering for you and supporting you. If I have a bad inning, fans are shouting, “There’s always next time!” The fans here make the baseball so amazing. Being an American player here is a huge honor.”
⚾️Mitchell Lively is an American professional baseball pitcher for the Chinatrust Brothers of CPBL. He joined CPBL in 2018.
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💕「愛台灣,我的選擇」系列第8發:投手萊福力的棒球心聲⚾️
我來自北加州一個叫蘇珊維爾的小鎮,小鎮人口大約兩萬人。大學期間,我獲得美式足球獎學金,進入薩克拉門托州立大學就讀,當時我打棒球也打美式足球,並得到傳播與商業行銷學位。今年是我打職業棒球的第14年。我在美國打了9年棒球,我先是受科羅拉多洛磯隊招募,後來在舊金山巨人隊打了7年,最後2年我為華盛頓國民隊效力。我也曾經在墨西哥、委內瑞拉和日本打球。3年前,我有一個機會,可以選擇留在墨西哥或來台灣打球。我深深地被台灣文化吸引,這個地方很棒,對家庭非常友善,這點對我、妻子和我們剛出生的孩子尤其重要!台灣隨處可見哺乳室、親子廁所、及室內兒童遊樂設施,所有一切都很適合家庭,這是台灣吸引我們的很大原因。另外,在台灣打棒球真的很棒,尤其是球迷的加油聲,這是我在世界其他地方從來沒有體驗過的!我曾在7個國家打過棒球,在來台灣之前,我從沒有這種經驗,球迷會不斷的為我加油和跳舞,即使我當天表現得不好,球迷仍幫我加油,就算某局我打得爛透了,他們也會大喊:「下次會更好!」台灣的棒球因為球迷而獨一無二,身為一個美國人,可以在台灣打球是我莫大的榮幸。💕
⚾️萊福力為美國棒球投手, 2018年起來台發展,目前效力於中信兄弟隊。
💕Why I Chose Taiwan # 8 💕 - Mitchell Lively's baseball path
“I’m from a small town in Northern California called Susanville. I think the population may be 20,000. I went on a football scholarship to Sacramento State University, and I played football and baseball while I got my degree in communications and business marketing. This is my fourteenth year playing baseball professionally. I played nine years in the United States: got drafted by the Colorado Rockies, then I spent seven years with the San Francisco Giants, then two years with the Washington Nationals. I’ve also played in Mexico, Venezuela, and Japan. I got a choice about three years ago to stay in Mexico or to come here to Taiwan. I was really intrigued with the culture here. This place is amazing. It’s very family-friendly, especially having my wife here with a new-born baby. There’s breast-feeding rooms, family bathrooms, indoor play places. I mean, everything about this place is family-friendly and that’s one thing that really drew us to coming here. Plus, the baseball here is unbelievable -- the fan support, the cheering -- it’s something that I’ve never experienced anywhere. I’ve played in seven countries, and I have never seen anything like it. They have the non-stop cheering and dancing. Even if you’re doing bad out there, they are still cheering for you and supporting you. If I have a bad inning, fans are shouting, “There’s always next time!” The fans here make the baseball so amazing. Being an American player here is a huge honor.”
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Jimmy's Table Thanksgiving Feast Menu:
Appetizers:
1. Texas sized nachos with beef chili, queso, sour cream, cheddar, jalapeños and salsa
2. Kimchi bulgogi Quesadillas
Side Dishes:
1. Bourbon oak scotch whiskey turkey giblet gravy with deep fried shallots and shredded turkey neck
2. Lobster four cheese macaroni
3. Broccoli, rice & cheese casserole
4. Jalapeño cheddar corn bread
5. Shepard’s pie with red wine braised lamb rib fingers, garlic butter mash potatoes topped with fried shallots
6. Spicy sausage, apple, cranberry and turkey liver stuffing
7. Cabernet, cherry, cinnamon and cranberry sauce for a twang
8. Herb skillet potatoes
9. Portuguese garlic shrimp with french bread
Main Event:
1. 3 applewood smoked and grilled tomahawk steaks with rosemary and thyme
2. San Francisco Cioppinno with Dungeness crab, clams, squid, shrimp and scallops
3. 2 Cajun Deep Fried Turkeys
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Kevin總統是我見過最瘋狂的人,從小就立志要成立國家。自1977年5月26日從美國宣告主權獨立,更宣稱擁有發射火箭的高科技🚀😱每年卻只開放7天讓遊客入境。
當天是莫洛西亞共和國的國慶日。我特別代表台灣做國民外交🇹🇼贈送“故宮福籌四喜金門高粱酒”以及“提提研面膜🐼”Kevin總統表示對於台灣印象非常深刻,是不是未來也可能成為最新邦交國🤜🤛
✅莫洛西亞共和國Republic of Molossia
為了去莫洛西亞共和國,我當天早上從舊金山開車來回共花了12小時,只為了代表台灣去參加國慶日慶典,總統還發表演說,也感謝台灣的朋友共襄盛舉。
Kevin總統真的是個很有趣的人,帶點獨裁者的個性,不時還會主動Cue人😎
不多說,快去看影片,認識這個世界上最小的微型國家。
President Kevin is the craziest person I have ever met. Since he was a child, he decided to set up a country.
Since May 26, 1977, the United States has declared sovereign independence, and it has been claimed that the high-tech missiles that launch rockets.
There are only open for seven days each year for tourists to enter.
The day is the National Day of the Republic of Molossia.
On behalf of Taiwan, I present the "National Palace Museum Sorghum Wine" and "TTM Mask". President Kevin said that he is very impressed with Taiwan and is likely to become the latest state in the future.
To go to the Republic of Molossia, I spent a total of 12 hours driving back and forth from San Francisco that morning, just to represent Taiwan to participate in the National Day celebrations.
The President also gave a speech and thank Taiwanese for their participation.
President Kevin is really a very interesting person, with the personality of the dictator, from time to time will take the initiative to Cue someone.
Not Things to say, get to know the world’s smallest country.
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