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My sister, Michelle-Ann Iking's 3% chance of conceiving naturally was a success! Here's her story:

(My apologies as I've been overwhelmed with personal matters. I've only managed to get to my desk. So finally got around posting this).

This is the story behind my sister's pregnancy struggle and how she shared her journey over her Facebook page.

Because some may have not caught her LIVE session chat with me (https://www.facebook.com/daphneiking/videos/687743128744960/) , or read her lengthy post (as it's a private page);
she's allowed me to copy and paste it over my wall, in case you need to know more about her thought process on how AND why she focused on the 3% success probability. Read on.

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Posted 10th May 2020.
FB Credit: Michelle-Ann Iking

A week ago today I celebrated becoming a mother to our second, long awaited child.

Please forgive this mother's LONG (self-indulgent) post, journalling what this significant milestone has meant for her personally, for her own fallible memory's sake as well as maybe to share one day with her son.

If all you were wondering was whether I had delivered and if mum and bub are OK, please be assured the whole KkLM family are thriving tremendously, and continue scrolling right along your Newsfeed 😁.

OUR 3% MIRACLE

All babies are miracles... and none more so than our precious Kiaen Aaryan (pronounced KEY-n AR-yen), whose name derives from Sanskrit origins meaning:

Grace of God
Spiritual
Kind
Benevolent

...words espousing the gratitude Kishore and I feel for Kiaen's arrival as our "3% miracle".

He was conceived, naturally, after 3 years of Kishore and I hoping, praying and 'endeavoring'... and only couples for whom the objective switches from pure recreation to (elusive) procreation will understand how this is less fun than it sounds ...

3 years during which time we had consensus from 3 different doctors that we, particularly I (with my advancing age etc etc) had only a 3% chance of natural conception and that our best hope for a sibling for our firstborn, Lara Anoushka, was via IVF.

Lara herself was an 'intervention baby', being one of the 20% of babies successfully conceived through the less intrusive IUI process, after a year and a half of trying naturally and already being told then my age was a debilitating factor.

We had tried another round of IUI for her sibling in 2017 when Lara was a year old. And that time we fell into the ranks of the 80% of would-be parents for whom it would be an exercise in futility... who would go home, comfort each other as best they could, while individually masking their own personal disappointment... hoping for the best, 'the next time around'...

So the improbability ratio of 97% against natural conception of our second baby, as concurred by the combined opinion of 3 medical professionals, was a very real, very daunting figure for us to have to mentally deal with.

Deep, DEEP, down in my heart however, though I had many a day of doubt... I kept a core kernel of faith that somehow, I would again experience the privilege of pregnancy, and again, have a chance at childbirth.

And so, the optimist in me would tell myself, "Well, there have to be people who fall in the 3% bucket... why shouldn't WE be part of the 3%?"

Those who know me well, understand my belief in the Law of Attraction, the philosophy of focusing your mind only on what you want to attract, not on what you don't want, and so even as Kishore and I prepared to go into significant personal debt to attempt IVF in the 2nd half of 2019, I marshalled a last ditch effort to hone in on that 3% chance of natural conception... through research coming across fertility supplements that I ordered from the US and sent to a friend in Singapore to redirect to me because the supplier would not deliver to Malaysia.

I made us as a couple take the supplements in the 3 month 'priming period' in the lead up to the IVF procedure - preconditioning our bodies for optimum results, if you will.

At the same time, I had invested in a sophisticated fertility monitor, with probes and digital sensors for daily tracking of saliva and other unmentionable fluid samples, designed to pinpoint with chemical accuracy my state of fertility on any given day.

(UPDATE: For those interested - I obtained the supplements and Ovacue Fertility Monitor from https://www.fairhavenhealth.com/. Though I had my supplies delivered to a friend in Singapore, and redirected to me here since the US site does not deliver to Malaysia, there are local distributors for these products, you will just have to research the trustworthiness of the vendors yourself...)

I had set an intention - in the 3 months of pre-IVF priming, I would consume what seemed like a pharmacy's worth of supplements, and track fertility religiously... in hopes that somehow, within the 3 month priming period, we would conceive naturally and potentially save ourselves a down payment on a new property... and this was just a projection on financial costs of IVF, not even considering the physical, emotional and mental toll it involves, with no guarantee of a baby at the end of it all...

It was a continuation of an intention embedded even with my first pregnancy, where all the big ticket baby items were consciously purchased for use by a future sibling, in gender neutral colours, in hopes that sibling would be a brother "for a balanced pair", though of course any healthy child would be a welcome blessing.

It was a very conscious determination to always skew my thoughts in service of what the end objective was. For example, when 3+year old Lara would innocently express impatience at not yet having a sibling, at one point suggesting that since we were "taking too long to give her a baby brother/sister", perhaps we should just "go buy a baby from a shop", instead of getting defensive or berating the baby that she herself was, we enlisted Lara's help to pray for her sibling... so in any place of worship, or sacred ground of any kind that we passed thereon, Lara would stop, close her eyes, bow her small head and place her tiny hands together in prayer, reciting earnestly, "Please God, please give me a baby brother or baby sister."

After months and months of watching Lara do this, in the constancy of her childlike chant, Kishore started feeling the pressure of possibly disappointing Lara if her prayer was not answered. Whereas for me, Lara's recitation of her simple wish became like a strengthening mantra, our collective intention imbued with greater power with each repetition, and the goal of a sibling kept very much in the forefront of our minds (hence our calling Lara our 'project manager' in this endeavour).

And somehow in the 2nd month of that 3 month period, a positive + sign appeared on one of the home pregnancy tests I had grown accustomed to taking - my version of the lottery tickets others keep buying in hopes of hitting the jackpot, with all the cyclical anticipation and more often than not, disappointment, that entails...

This time however I was not disappointed.

With God's Grace, (hence 'Kiaen', a variation of 'Kiaan' which means 'Grace of God'), my focus on our joining the ranks of the 3% had materialised.

It seems poetic then, that Kiaen chose to make his appearance on the 3rd May, ironically the same date that his paternal great-grandfather departed this world for the next... such that in the combined words of Kishore and his father Kai Vello Suppiah,

"The 1st generation Suppiah left on 3rd May and the 4th generation Suppiah arrived on 3rd May after 41yrs...
One leaves, another comes, the legacy lives on..."

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KIAEN AARYAN SUPPIAH'S BIRTH STORY

On Sunday 3rd May, I was 40 weeks and 5 days pregnant.

The baby was, in my mind, very UN-fashionably late past his due date of 29th April, so as much as I had willed and 'manifested' the privilege of pregnancy, to say I was keen to be done with it all was an understatement.

In the weeks leading to up to my full term, I had experienced increasingly intense Braxton-Hicks 'practice contractions' - annoying for me for the discomfort involved, stressful for Kishore who was on tenterhooks with the false alarms, on constant alert for when we would actually need to leave home for the hospital.

Having become a Hypnobirthing student and advocate from my first pregnancy with Lara, and thus being equipped with
(1) a lack of fear about childbirth in general and
(2) a basic understanding of how all the sensations I would experience fit into the big picture of my body bringing our baby closer to us,
I was less stressed - content to wait for the baby to be "fully cooked" and come out whenever he was ready... though I wouldn't have minded at all if the cooking time ended sooner, rather than later.

With Lara, I had been somewhat 'forced' into an induced labour, even though she was not yet due, and that had resulted in a 5 DAY LABOUR, a Birth Story for another post, so I was not inclined to chemically induce labour, even though I was assured that for second time mothers, it would be 'much faster and easier'...

That morning, I had a hunch *maybe* that day was the day, because in contrast to previous weeks' sensations of tightening, pressure and even spasms that were concentrated in the front of my abdomen and occasionally shot through my sides and legs, I felt period - like cramping in my lower back which I had not felt before throughout the pregnancy.

It was about 8am in the morning then, and my 'surges' were still relatively mild ('surges' being Hypnobirthing - speak for 'contractions', designed to frame them with the more positive connotations needed to counteract common language in which childbirth is presented as something that is unequivocally painful and traumatic, instead of the miraculous, powerful and natural phenomenon it actually is).

I recall (masochistically?) entertaining the thought of opting NOT to have an epidural JUST TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE...

I figured this would be the last time I would be pregnant and so it would be my 'last chance' to experience 'drug free labour' which, apart from the health benefits for baby and mother, might be *interesting* in a way that people who are curious about what getting a tattoo and skydiving and bungee jumping are like, might find these *interesting*...even knowing there will be pain and risk involved...

Since I have tried tattoos and skydiving (unfortunately not being able to squeeze in bungee-jumping while my life was purely my own to risk at no dependents' possible detriment) a similar curiousity about a no-epidural labour was on my mind...

In the absence of other signs of the onset of labour (like 'bloody show' or my waters breaking), I wanted to wait until the surges were coming every few minutes before we actually left the house for the hospital, not wanting to be one of those couples who rushed in too early and had interminable waits for the next stage in unfamiliar, clinical surroundings and/or were made to go home in an anti-climatic manner.

I was even calm enough through my surges to have the presence of mind to wash and blowdry my hair, knowing if I did deliver soon I would not be allowed this luxury for a while.

Around 9am I asked Kishore to prep for Lara and himself to be dressed and breakfasted so we could head to hospital soon, while I sent messages to family members on both sides informing them 'today might be the day.'

My mother, who had briefly served as a midwife before going back into general nursing and then becoming a nursing tutor, prophetically stated that if what I was experiencing was true labour, "the baby would be out by noon".

The pace in which my surges grew closer together was surprisingly quicker than I expected; and while I asked Lara to "Hurry up with breakfast" with only a tad more urgency than we normally tell her to do, little Missy being prone to dilly-dallying at meals, I probably freaked Kishore out when about 930am onwards, I had to instinctively get on my hands and knees a couple of times, eyes closed, trying to practice the Hypnobirthing breathing techniques I had revised to help along the process of my body birthing our child into the world.

I recall him saying a bit frantically as I knelt at our front door, doubled over as he waited for Lara to complete something or other, "Lara hurry up! Can't you see Mama is in so much pain and you are taking your own sweet time??!!"

SIDETRACK: Just the night before, Lara and I had watched a TV show in which a woman gave birth with the usual histrionics accompanying pop culture depictions of labour.

Lara watched the scene, transfixed.

I told her, simply and matter-of-factly, "That's what Mama has to do to get baby brother out Lara, and that's what I had to do for you also."

In most of interactions with my daughter, I have sought to equip her to face life's situations with calmness, truthful common sense, and ideally a minimum of drama.

Those who know the dramatic diva that Lara can be will know that this is a work-in-progress, but her response to me that night showed me some of my 'teachings' were sinking in:

She looked at me unfazed, "But Mama," she said. "You won't cry and scream like that lady, right? You will be BRAVE and stay calm, right?"
#nopressure.

So as we prepped to leave for the hospital I did indeed attempt to be that role model of calm for her, asking her only for her help in keeping very quiet,
"Because Mama needs to focus on bringing baby brother out and she needs quiet to concentrate...".

As we left the house at 10.11am, I texted Kishore's sister Geetha to please prep to pick up Lara from the hospital, and was grateful Kishore had the foresight to ask our gynae to prepare a letter for Geetha to show any police roadblocks between my in-laws' home in Subang Jaya and the hospital in Bangsar, this all happening under the Movement Control Order (MCO).

To Lara's credit, in the journey over to the hospital, she - probably sensing the gravity of the situation, sat very quietly in her seat at the back, and the silence was punctuated only by my occasional deep intakes of breath and some variation of my Ohmmm-like moans when the sensations were at their height.

By the time we got to Pantai Hospital at around 10.30am, my surges were strong enough I requested a wheelchair to assist me in getting to the labour ward, as I did not trust my own legs to support me... and Kishore would have to wait until Geetha had arrived to take Lara back to my in-laws' house before he himself could go up.

I slumped in the wheelchair and was wheeled up to the labour room with my eyes closed the whole time, trying to handle my surges.

I didn't even look up to see the attendant who pushed me... but did make the effort to thank him sincerely when he handed me over, with what seemed like a palpable sense of relief on his part, to the labour ward nurses.

The nurse attending me at Pantai was calm, steady and efficient. I answered some questions and changed into my labour gown while waiting for Kishore to come up, all the while managing the increasingly intense surges with my rusty Hypnobirthing breathing techniques.

By the time Kishore joined me at around 11am (I know these timings based on the timestamps of the 'WhatsApp live feed' of messages Kishore sent to his family), I was asking the nurse on duty, "How soon can I get an epidural??" thinking what crazy woman thought she could do this without drugs???!!!

The nurse checked my cervix dilation, I saw her bloodied glove indicating my mucous plug had dislodged, and she told me, "Well you are already at 7cm (which, for the uninitiated, is 70% of the way to the 10cm dilation needed for birthing), you are really doing well, if you made it this far without any drugs, if can you try and manage without it... I suspect within 2 hours or less you will deliver your baby and since it will take about that time for the anaesthesiologist to be called, epidural to be administered and kick in... it might all be for nothing... but of course the decision is completely up to you... "

So there I was, super torn, should I risk the sensations becoming worse... or risk the epidural becoming a waste?? And of course I was trying to decide this as my labour surges were coming at me stronger and stronger...

I was in such a dilemma...because as a 'recovering approval junkie' there was also a silly element of approval-seeking involved, ("The nurse thinks I can do this without drugs... maybe I CAN do this without drugs... Yay me!") mixed with that element of curiosity I mentioned earlier ("What if I actually CAN do this without drugs... plenty of other women have done it all over the world since time immemorial.. no big deal, how bad can it be...??") so then I thought I would use the financial aspect to be the 'tiebreaker' in my decision making...

I asked the nurse how much an epidural would cost and when she replied "Around MYR1.5k", I still remember Kishore's incredulous face as I asked the question, i.e."Seriously babe, you are gonna think about money right now? If you need the epidural TAKE IT, don't worry about the money!!!"... and while we are not rich by any stretch of the imagination, thankfully RM1.5k is not a quantum that made me swing towards a decision to "better save the money"...

So in the end, I guess my curiosity won out, and I turned down the epidural "just to see what it would be like and if I had it in me" (in addition of course to avoiding the side effects of any drugs introduced into my and the baby's body).

My labour occuring in the time of coronavirus, it was protocol for me to have a COVID19 test done, so the medical staff could apply the necessary precautions. I had heard from a friend Sharon Ruba that the test procedure was uncomfortable, so when the nurse came with the test kit as I was starting another surge, I asked, "Please can I just finish this surge before I do the test?" as I really didn't think I could multitask tackling multiple uncomfortable sensations in one go.

The COVID19 test involved what felt like a looong, skinny cotton bud being inserted into one nostril... I definitely felt more than a tickle as it went in and up, being told to take deep breaths by the nurse. Then she asked me to "Try to swallow" and I felt it go into my nasal cavities where I didn't think anything could go any further, but was proven wrong when she asked me to swallow again and the swab was probed even deeper. Then she warned me there would be some slight discomfort as she prepared to collect a sample... but at that point all I could think about was:

(i) I really don't have much of a choice
(ii) please let this be over before my next surge kicks in
(iii) if all the people breaking the MCO rules knew what it feels like to do this test maybe they won't put themselves at risk of the need to perform one...

In full disclosure as I was transferred into the actual delivery room at some point after 11am, another nurse offered me 'laughing gas' to ostensibly take some of the edge off... I took the self-operated breathing nozzle passed to me but don't recall it making any difference to my sensations..so didn't use it much as it seemed pretty pointless.

I recall some measure of relief when I heard my gynae Dr. Paul entering the room, greeting Kishore and me, and telling us it was going well and it wouldn't be long now and he would see us again shortly.

From my previous labour with Lara I knew the midwives pretty much take you 90% of the way through the labour and when the Dr is called in you are really at the home stretch, so was very relieved to hear his voice though knowing he would leave and come back later meant it wasn't quite over yet.

I do remember realising when I had crossed the Thinning and Opening Phase of labour to the Birthing Phase, by the change in sensations... it is still amazing to me that as the Hypnobirthing book mentioned, having this knowledge I was instinctively able to switch breathing techniques for the next stage of labour .

Was my opting against epidural the right choice for me?

Overall? Yes.

Don't get me wrong.

I *almost* regretted the decision several times during active labour... especially when I felt my body being taken over by an overwhelming compulsion to push that did not seem conscious and was accompanied by involuntary gutteral moans where I literally just thought to myself, "I surrender, God do with me what you will..." (super dramatic I know but VERY real at the time...).

I think I experienced 3-4 such natural explusive reflexes (?), rhythmically pushing the baby down the birth path, one of which was accompanied by what felt like a swoosh of water coming out of a hose with a diameter the size of a golf ball... this was when I realised my water had finally broken...

The nurses kept instructing me to do different things, to keep breathing, to move to my side, then to move to the middle, to raise my feet... and when I didn't comply, Kishore (who was with me throughout both my labours) tried to help them by repeating the instructions prefaced with "Sayang..." but I basically ignored all the intructions because I felt I had no capacity to direct any part of my body to do anything and someone else would have to physically manoeuvre that body part themselves.

When I heard Dr. Paul's voice again and the flurry of commotion surrounding his presence, I knew the time was close... and when I heard the nurse say to Kishore, "Sir, these are your gloves, for when you cut the baby's cord", it was music to my ears...

I'm very, VERY grateful Kiaen slid out after maybe the 4th of those involuntary pushes... the wave of RELIEF when he came out so quickly... it still boggles my mind that my mother was essentially right and as his birth time was 12.02pm, it was *only* about 1.5 hours between our arrival at the hospital and his arrival into the world.

Kiaen was placed on my chest for skin to skin bonding and remained there for a considerable time.

For our short stay in the hospital he would be with us in my maternity ward number C327... another trivially serendipitous sign for me because he was born on the 3rd (May) and our wedding anniversary is 27th (July).

I was discharged the following day 4th May at about 5.30pm, after I got an all clear on COVID19 and a paediatric surgeon did a small procedure on Kiaen to address a tongue-tie that would affect his breastfeeding latch... making the entire duration of our stay about 31 hours.

I have taken the time and effort to record all this down so that whenever life's challenges threaten to get me down I can remind myself, "Ignore the 97% failure probability, focus on the 3% success probability".

Also that the human condition is miraculous and it is such a privilege to experience it.

To our son Kiaen Aaryan, thank you for coming into our lives and choosing us as your parents.

Even though Papa and I are both zombies trying to settle into a night time feeding routine with you, I look forward to spending not only all future Mother's Days, but every day, with you and your Akka...

And last but not least, to my husband Kishore...without whom none of this would be possible - we did it sayang, I love you ❤️

Photo credit: Stayhome session with Samantha Yong Photography (http://samanthayong.com/)

Oh~

สรุปการดีเบต แจ็ก หม่า vs อีลอน มัสก์ ในงานประชุม World AI / โดย ลงทุนแมน
ลงทุนแมนรับรองว่าเป็นเรื่องน่าสนใจที่สุดในช่วงนี้

เมื่อไม่กี่ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา
มีการคุยกันระหว่างแจ็ก หม่า กับ อีลอน มัสก์
โดยหัวข้อเรื่องคือความคิดเห็นต่อ AI ในด้านต่างๆ
เรื่องนี้น่าสนใจอย่างไร
ลงทุนแมนจะสรุปให้ฟัง

เริ่มจาก อีลอน มัสก์ กล่าวว่า ตอนนี้ทุกคนกำลังประเมิน AI ต่ำไป

ให้นึกถึงว่าตอนนี้ลิงชิมแปนซีเข้าใจมนุษย์ไหม (ทำไมมนุษย์ต้องมีรถยนต์ ทำไมมนุษย์ต้องสร้างตึก)

เรากำลังเป็นอย่างนั้น ในอนาคตเราอาจไม่เข้าใจเหตุผลที่ AI ทำในเรื่องต่างๆ

แล้วเราจะทำอย่างไรกับสถานการณ์นี้

คำตอบคือ ถ้าเราไม่สามารถชนะมันได้ ก็ร่วมมือกับมัน ซึ่ง Neuralink (โครงการของ อีลอน มัสก์) ตอบโจทย์นี้ได้

สิ่งที่ Neuralink ทำก็คือ การสร้างช่องทางการสื่อสารขนาดใหญ่ (High Bandwidth) เชื่อมต่อเข้าสมอง

สิ่งนี้เหมือนกับเป็นไซบอร์ก แต่จริงๆ ตอนนี้เราก็เป็นไซบอร์กไปแล้ว

ทุกวันนี้เราใช้คอมพิวเตอร์ โทรศัพท์เป็นเครื่องมือขยายความสามารถ จากร่างกายของเรา
ถ้าเราขาดโทรศัพท์ ความสามารถของเราจะลดลง

แต่ bandwidth ที่เราใช้กันอยู่นั้นต่ำมาก

โดยเฉพาะ การส่งข้อมูลเข้าเครื่อง (input)
จริงๆ แล้ว input ต่ำลงจากคอมพิวเตอร์สมัยก่อนด้วยซ้ำ
เพราะเราต้องพิมพ์ด้วยนิ้วโป้งสองนิ้ว แทนที่จะเป็นสิบนิ้ว

เมื่ออีลอน มัสก์ พูดจบ
แจ็ก หม่า ก็กล่าวว่า เขาไม่ได้เชี่ยวชาญด้านเทคโนโลยี
สิ่งที่เขาคิดเกี่ยวกับชีวิต (Life)

AI กำลังเปิดศักราชใหม่ของสังคม ให้เราเข้าใจตัวเราเองดีขึ้น
และเขาคิดว่า AI เป็นสิ่งที่ดี ไม่ได้เป็นสิ่งที่มาคุกคาม หรือเป็นสิ่งที่เลวร้าย

อีลอน มัสก์ แย้งว่า AI น่ากลัวกว่าที่ทุกคนคิด
ยกตัวอย่างเช่น วิดีโอเกม เมื่อก่อน มีแค่บล็อกๆ ไว้เล่น ตอนนี้วิดีโอเกมทำภาพให้สมจริงได้

โลกนี้เกิดขึ้นมาแล้ว 4,000 ล้านปี
อารยธรรมมนุษย์เพิ่งเกิดขึ้น 70,000 ปี
มีเหตุการณ์ผันผวนมากมายในช่วง 70,000 ปีนี้
สิ่งที่เกิดขึ้นในตอนนี้ที่มีเทคโนโลยีมากมายเป็นแค่จุดเล็กๆ ของทั้งหมด
มันจะเกิดอะไรขึ้นก็ได้ให้เรากลับไปเริ่มต้นใหม่อีกครั้ง

แจ็ก หม่า เปลี่ยนเรื่องบอกว่า เรามาคุยเรื่องสนุกกันดีกว่า
คุณต้องการไปดาวอังคาร
อะไรจะเกิดขึ้นกับชีวิตบนดาวอังคาร
แต่ผมสนใจว่าอะไรจะเกิดขึ้นบนโลกมากกว่า

อีลอน มัสก์ ตอบว่า
ผมคิดว่าดาวอังคาร สามารถทำให้ความนึกคิด (consciousness) ของเรายังคงอยู่ต่อไปในอนาคตได้ ทั้งนี้ก็เพื่อให้ยืดเวลาให้เราสามารถเข้าใจจักรวาลนี้ได้ดีขึ้น

การมีชีวิตอยู่บนดาวหลายดวง (Multi planet species) จะทำให้อารยธรรมของเราไม่ถูกทำลาย

และนี่เป็นครั้งแรกในรอบ 4,000 ล้านปี ที่มีหน้าต่างเปิดให้เราพอที่จะสามารถทำอะไรแบบนี้ได้

คำถามคือหน้าต่างบานนี้จะเปิดไปอีกนานแค่ไหน ก่อนที่มันจะปิดอีกครั้ง ถ้าเราไม่รีบทำอะไรตั้งแต่วันนี้

แจ็ก หม่า แย้งว่า
เราไม่จำเป็นต้องคิดเรื่องพวกนั้น
การทำให้โลกของเราที่มีคนอยู่ 7,000 ล้านคน ดีขึ้น ยั่งยืนขึ้น น่าจะเป็นสิ่งที่ดีกว่า

ไม่เกี่ยวอะไรกับว่า อารยธรรมเราจะผ่านมานานแค่ไหน
แต่พวกเรามีชีวิตได้อย่างมากก็ 100 ปี
เราไม่จำเป็นต้องแก้ปัญหาทั้งหมดในอนาคตด้วยตัวเราเองคนเดียว

สิ่งที่เราควรทำคือ การรับผิดชอบต่อโลกในตอนนี้
ถ้าเรารู้ตัวเราเองดีขึ้น เราสามารถทำให้โลกนี้ดีขึ้นได้

มันดีที่มีฮีโร่แบบคุณ อีลอน มัสก์ ที่จะพามนุษย์ไปนอกโลก
แต่เราต้องการฮีโร่แบบพวกเรามากกว่า
ฮีโร่ที่ทำงานหนักบนโลก และพัฒนาเรื่องต่างๆ ทุกวันให้โลกนี้ดีขึ้น

อีลอน มัสก์ แย้งว่า
การไปนอกโลก ใช้ทรัพยากรน้อยมาก น้อยกว่า 1% ของการใช้ทั้งหมดในเรื่องต่างๆ บนโลกนี้ ไม่ว่าจะเป็นการผลิตเครื่องสำอาง การผลิตของอื่นๆ ที่จำเป็นน้อยกว่า

สำหรับหัวข้อต่อไปที่คุยก็คือ AI จะเข้ามาแย่งงานหรือไม่?

แจ็ก หม่าตอบ
ทุกครั้งที่มีปฏิวัติทางเทคโนโลยี ทุกคนจะกังวล
เมื่อ 200 ปีก่อนที่มีการปฏิวัติอุตสาหกรรม ทุกคนกังวล แต่สุดท้ายมีงานเกิดใหม่มากมาย

และจริงๆ แล้ว เราไม่จำเป็นต้องมีงานเยอะ เราอาจจะทำงาน 3 วันหยุด 4 วันก็ได้

มนุษย์ในอนาคตจะมีเวลาสนุกกับการใช้ชีวิตความเป็นมนุษย์มากขึ้น

ปู่ของผมมีโอกาสได้ไป 3 เมืองในโลกนี้
พ่อของผมมีโอกาสได้ไป 30 เมือง
ส่วนตัวผมได้ไปมาแล้ว 300 เมือง

สิ่งที่สำคัญคือเราต้องเตรียมพร้อมกับยุคที่เราใช้ชีวิตได้นานขึ้น ซึ่งอาจจะนานถึง 120 ปี เราจะใช้ชีวิตอย่างไร ถ้าเราอยู่ได้นานขนาดนั้น

สำหรับหัวข้อนี้ อีลอน มัสก์ ตอบสั้นๆ ว่า ในอนาคต AI อาจจะมาแทนที่มนุษย์ทั้งหมด มนุษย์เป็นเพียงแค่คนเขียนโปรแกรมให้ AI

หัวข้อต่อไปคือ การศึกษาในยุคนี้ควรสอนเด็กอย่างไร?

แจ็ก หม่า ตอบว่าหลักสูตรการศึกษาในปัจจุบัน เหมาะสมสำหรับเด็กในยุคอุตสาหกรรม
สอนให้ท่องจำ

แต่ตอนนี้เราไม่จำเป็นต้องจำ เพราะหุ่นยนต์จำได้ดีกว่า
สิ่งที่เราควรสอนคือ จะทำอย่างไรให้เด็ก สนุกกับชีวิตของเขา

อีลอน มัสก์ ตอบเรื่องการศึกษาว่า ควรให้เด็กเรียนรู้ให้มากที่สุด มากพอที่จะสามารถคาดการณ์อนาคตได้ โดยผิดพลาดน้อยที่สุด นอกจากคาดการณ์แล้วก็ต้องสร้างอนาคตด้วย

ต่อไป Neuralink จะทำให้มนุษย์สามารถอัปโหลดทักษะเข้าไปในสมองโดยตรง

การศึกษาในปัจจุบันยังถือว่ามีประสิทธิภาพต่ำมาก (Low Bandwidth)

แจ็ก หม่า ตอบว่าเขาไม่กลัวความผิดพลาด เกิดความผิดพลาดแล้วต้องแก้ไขเป็นเรื่องปกติ
มนุษย์ลองผิดลองถูกเสมอมา
และเขาคิดว่า หายนะทางด้าน AI ในอนาคตก็ไม่ได้เกิดจาก AI แต่เกิดจากความผิดพลาดของมนุษย์เอง
ซึ่งเขาก็เชื่อว่ามนุษย์จะมีกระบวนการที่สามารถแก้ไขสถานการณ์นั้นได้เอง

สิ่งสำคัญคือ เราจะสอนเด็กอย่างไรให้สมองสามารถสร้างสรรค์ได้มากกว่าเดิม
มนุษย์ไม่สามารถสร้างสัตว์หรือสิ่งอื่นที่ฉลาดว่ามนุษย์ได้

อีลอน มัสก์ แย้งเรื่องนี้ว่า เราสามารถสร้างสิ่งที่ฉลาดกว่าเราได้
ยกตัวอย่างมนุษย์ในยุคเริ่มต้นเราแค่กินอยู่ในป่า
แต่ตอนนี้เรามีสิ่งอำนวยความสะดวกต่างๆ มากมาย
เราฉลาดกว่าเมื่อก่อนมาก
และตอนนี้เราก็ไม่ได้ฉลาดที่สุด
อนาคตมนุษย์จะฉลาดกว่านี้อีก

แจ็ก หม่า ท้าให้ อีลอน มัสก์ ยกตัวอย่างสัตว์ที่ฉลาดกว่ามนุษย์บนโลกนี้ที่มนุษย์เคยสร้างมา

อีลอน มัสก์ ตอบว่า ตอนนี้หุ่นยนต์ได้ฉลาดกว่ามนุษย์ในบางเรื่องไปแล้ว

ทั้งหมากรุก ทั้งการแข่งโกะ มนุษย์แพ้การแข่งโกะให้ Alpha Go และ Alpha Go ก็แพ้ให้ Alpha Zero ในที่สุดแล้วหุ่นยนต์จะนำเราไปไกลมาก

แจ็ก หม่า แย้งว่า คำว่า หุ่นยนต์สามารถฉลาดกว่าได้ (Clever)
แต่มนุษย์จะยัง Smart กว่า เพราะมนุษย์มีประสบการณ์
เราสร้างคอมพิวเตอร์ได้ แต่คอมพิวเตอร์ไม่สามารถสร้างคนได้

เรื่องการแข่งโกะ
โกะสร้างเพื่อที่ มนุษย์จะเล่นกับมนุษย์
มนุษย์โง่เองที่จะแข่งกับคอมพิวเตอร์ในเรื่องโกะ
ไม่ต่างอะไรที่มนุษย์จะไปวิ่งแข่งกับรถยนต์

มีบางเรื่องที่มันออกแบบมาให้หุ่นยนต์ทำได้ดีกว่ามนุษย์
มนุษย์ไม่จำเป็นต้องแข่งกับหุ่นยนต์ในเรื่องเฉพาะเหล่านั้น
มนุษย์มีหน้าที่สร้างเครื่องมือต่างๆ ที่จะทำให้ฉลาดขึ้น
แต่ AI ไม่สามารถสร้างเครื่องมือเหล่านั้นได้ด้วยตนเอง

อีลอน มัสก์ กล่าวตอบว่าเรื่องนี้เกี่ยวกับ ระดับความเป็นอิสระ (Degree of freedom)
เริ่มจาก หมากรุก ต่อไปเป็น โกะ ที่ซับซ้อนขึ้น และอนาคตหุ่นยนต์จะทำอะไรที่ซับซ้อนได้มากขึ้น
และอีลอน มัสก์ ยังกังวลว่าสิ่งหนึ่งที่เป็นอันตรายต่อมนุษยชาติ ก็คือ “อัตราการเกิด”
อีก 20 ปี ประชากรเราจะหายไปอย่างที่ทุกคนคิดไม่ถึง

แจ็ก หม่า เห็นด้วยกับเรื่องนี้ และเสริมว่า ในอีก 20 ปี ประชากรจะเจอปัญหานี้
และอัตราการเกิดจะลดลงเป็นอัตราเร่ง (Accelerate)
สิ่งสำคัญคือ ประชากรจีนที่เกิดมา 18 ล้านคนในแต่ละปี เราต้องใช้เวลากับเด็กพวกนี้ให้ดีที่สุด

ถ้าเป็นเรื่องการทำตามขั้นตอน แบบซ้ำๆ ที่เป็นตรรกะ AI จะทำได้ดีกว่า
แต่ถ้าเป็นเรื่องที่ไม่ใช่ตรรกะ เช่นความรัก คนจะทำได้ดีกว่า เพราะมันไม่มีเหตุผล
ในอนาคต มนุษย์จะไม่จำเป็นต้องมี IQ หรือ EQ แต่เป็น LQ หรือ Q of Love

หัวข้อคำถามสุดท้ายก็คือ มนุษย์จะมีชีวิตยืนยาวในโลก แบบยั่งยืนได้อย่างไร

อีลอน มัสก์ กล่าวว่าถ้า Neuralink สำเร็จ ก็จะทำให้เราสามารถบันทึกสถานะของสมองได้ (save state) เหมือนเซฟวิดีโอเกม

หรือสิ่งที่จะยืดอายุได้ก็คือการเปลี่ยนแปลง DNA เหมือน หยุดนาฬิกาของ DNA แต่คำถามก็คือมนุษย์จะยินยอมไหมในการทำเรื่องนี้

สำหรับแจ็ก หม่า ตอบเรื่องความยั่งยืนว่า
ในอนาคต AI จะทำให้เราเข้าใจตัวเราเองดีขึ้น
คนฉลาด รู้ว่าเราต้องการอะไร
คนฉลาดกว่า จะรู้ว่าเขาไม่ต้องการอะไร
และจะทำให้โลกนี้น่าอยู่ขึ้นในที่สุด

แจ็ก หม่า กล่าวปิดท้ายว่า
เขาอยากให้โฟกัสที่โลก
การที่เราจะเอาขยะออกจากมหาสมุทร ยังยากกว่าการไปดาวอังคาร

ไม่ใช่แค่อายุยืน แต่ใช้ชีวิตอยู่อย่างไรให้มีสุขภาพดี
ไม่ใช่แค่ใช้ชีวิตที่มีสุขภาพดี แต่ใช้ชีวิตอย่างไรให้มีความสุข
สุดท้าย มนุษย์ต้องโฟกัสที่คุณค่า มนุษย์ต้องมีความฝัน
ไม่ใช่เทคโนโลยีที่จะเปลี่ยนโลก แต่เป็นความฝันที่อยู่เบื้องหลังเทคโนโลยีที่จะเปลี่ยนโลก

เราต้องเชื่อในตัวเราเอง เราต้องเชื่อในความเป็นมนุษย์ เราต้องเชื่อในมนุษย์รุ่นต่อไป

เราควรรับผิดชอบสิ่งที่เป็นอยู่ในปัจจุบัน มากกว่าการอยากแก้ปัญหาทั้งหมดของโลกในวันพรุ่งนี้

มันเป็นเรื่องดีที่มนุษย์จะผิดพลาด
มันเป็นเรื่องดีที่มนุษย์จะเรียนรู้จากความผิดพลาด
และ มันเป็นเรื่องดีที่มนุษย์จะตาย

ปิดท้ายด้วยคำพูดของ อีลอน มัสก์ ที่กล่าวปิด หลังแจ็ก หม่า พูดจบ

“Fight for the life of consciousness”
จงต่อสู้เพื่อให้ความนึกคิด มีชีวิตอยู่ในจักรวาลนี้ต่อไป..
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Summary of Debet Jack Ma vs Elon Musk in World AI / By Investing Man
Investing man is the most interesting thing these days.

A few hours ago.
There was a conversation between Jack Ma and Elon Musk.
The topic is opinion of AI in various aspects.
How interesting is this story?
Investing man will summarize it.

Starting with Elon Musk said now everyone is underestimating AI

I think that Chimpanzee monkey understands humans. (Why do humans have cars, why do humans have buildings?)

We are being like that in the future. We may not understand the reason AI does things.

So what do we do with this situation

The answer is, if we can't win it, cooperate with it. Neuralink (ELON Musk's project) meets this problem.

What Neuralink does is create a large communication channel (High Bandwidth) connecting to the brain.

This is like a cyborg, but we're actually a cyborg now.

Nowadays, we use computer, phone as a tool to expand our body's ability.
If we lack a phone, our ability will decrease.

But the bandwidth we are using is low.

Specifically, sending information to the engine (input)
Input was actually low from computer in the past.
Because we have to type with two thumbs instead of ten fingers.

When Elon Musk finishes talking
Jack Ma also said he's not tech-savvy.
What he thinks about life (Life)

AI is opening a new era of society for us to understand ourselves better.
And he thinks AI is good. Not a threat or a bad thing.

Elon Musk argues that AI is scarier than anyone thinks.
For example, video games were just blogged to play. Now video games can make realistic images.

This world has happened for 4,000 million years.
Human civilization just happened 70,000 years
Lots of volatile events during these 70,000 years.
What's happening now with so much technology is just a small point of all.
What can happen? Let us start again.

Jack Ma changed the story. Let's talk about fun.
You want to go to Mars
What will happen to life on Mars
But I'm more interested in what happens on earth.

Elon Musk replied
I think Mars can make our thoughts (consciousness) continue in the future, so that we can understand the universe better.

Living on many stars (Multi planet species) will unbroken our civilization.

And this is the first time in 4,000 million years that there is a window open for us to be able to do something like this.

The question is how long will this window open before it closes again if we don't do anything from today

Jack Ma argues that
We don't need to think about them.
Making our world 7,000 million people better, standing up would be a better one.

Nothing to do with how long our civilization has passed.
But we have lived so much 100 years
We don't have to solve all the future problems by ourselves alone.

All we should do is take responsibility for the world now.
If we know ourselves better, we can make this world better.

It's good to have a hero like Mr. Elon Musk to take humans outside the world.
But we need more heroes like us
A hero who works hard on earth and develops everyday things to make the world better.

Elon Musk argues that
Going out of the world uses less resources than 1 % of the total use of things on this planet, cosmetic production, production of other things that are less necessary.

For the next topic discussed, will AI come to steal the job?

Jack Ma answered.
Every time there is a technological revolution, everyone worries.
200 years ago there was an industrial revolution, everyone worried, but at the end there were many emerging events.

And we actually don't need a lot of work. We might work 3 days off 4 days.

Future humans will have time to enjoy living more humanity.

My grandfather had a chance to go to 3 cities in the world.
My dad had a chance to go to 30 cities.
Personally, I have visited 300 cities.

What matters is that we must be prepared for the age we live longer, which may be 120 years. How can we live if we live that long?

For this topic, Elon Musk briefly said that in the future, AI might replace all human beings. Human beings are just programmers for AI.

The next topic is how should education in this generation teach kids?

Jack Ma answered that current education course is suitable for children in industrial age.
Teaching you to memorize.

But now we don't have to remember because robots remember better.
What we should teach is how to make a child enjoy his life.

Elon Musk answers education that children should learn as much as possible to predict the future at least. In addition to prediction, we have to build a future.

Next Neuralink will allow humans to upload skills directly into the brain.

Current studies are still considered very low performance (Low Bandwidth)

Jack Ma said he wasn't afraid of mistakes, mistakes, mistakes, then fixing is normal.
Human beings have been wrong, always been right.
And he thinks the future AI disaster is not due to AI, but by human error.
He also believes that humans have a process that can fix that situation.

The important thing is how we teach kids to be more creative.
Humans can't create animals or other things that are smart as humans.

Elon Musk argues that we can create something smarter than us.
For example, humans in the beginning of the era. We just eat in the forest.
But now we have many amenities.
We are much smarter than before
And now we ain't the smartest
Human future will be smarter than this.

Jack Ma challenged Elon Musk for an example of an animal that is smarter than human beings on this planet ever created.

Elon Musk replied that robots are now smarter than humans in some things.

Both chess and human race lost. Alpha Go and Alpha Go and Alpha Go lose to Alpha Zero. Finally, robots will take us very far.

Jack Ma argues that the word robot can be smarter (Clever)
But humans are more smart because humans experience it.
We can build computers but computers can't build people.

About the racing.
Ko made for humans to play with humans.
Stupid human to compete with a computer in Ko.
It's no different that a human would run a car race.

There's something designed for robots to do better than humans.
Humans don't need to compete with robots in those specific things.
Human beings have a duty to create tools to make smarter.
But AI can't build those tools by itself.

Elon Musk says this is about level of freedom (Degree of freedom)
Starting from chess, next to a more complex and future robots will do more complicated things.
And Elon Musk is concerned that one thing that harms humanity is ′′ birth rate
In another 20 years, our population will be gone as everyone cannot think about it.

Jack Ma agrees with this and reinforces that in 20 years, the population will face this problem.
And the birth rate is reduced to accelerate (Accelerate)
The important thing is that the Chinese population born is 18 million each year. We need to spend the best time with these kids.

If it's a logical recurring process, AI will do better.
But if it's not logical, like love, people will do better because it doesn't make sense
In the future, humans will not need cảpĕn t̂xng or EQ but LQ or Q of Love.

The topic of the last question is how can humans live in a sustainable world?

Elon Musk said if Neuralink succeeded, it would allow us to record the state of brain (save state) like a video game save.

Or what it takes to age is DNA change like DNA stop a DNA clock. But the question is, will humans agree to this?

For Jack Ma to answer about sustainability
In the future, AI will make us understand ourselves better.
Wise people know what we want
A wise man knows what he doesn't want.
And will make this world a better place eventually

Jack Ma said the end
He wants to focus on the world.
It's harder to take garbage out of the ocean than going to Mars.

It's not just a longevity, but how to live healthy.
Not just living a healthy life but how to live a happy life
Finally, humans must focus on values. Human must have dreams.
It's not technology that will change the world, but it's the dream behind technology that will

We must believe in ourselves. We must believe in humanity. We must believe in the next generation of humans.

We should be responsible for what is present, rather than wanting to solve all the problems of the world tomorrow.

It's a good thing humans can go wrong.
It's good that humans learn from mistakes.
And it's a good thing that humans will die.

Ending with the words of Elon Musk that shuts down after Jack Ma's finish.

“Fight for the life of consciousness”
Fight to keep your thoughts alive in this universe..
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