關於 nba all-time score ，我們在網路上蒐集到這些相關的討論、資訊與評價

【A.I. FOREVER】在Youtube看到的一篇很長的comment，寫得非常詳細，從數據上比較其他偉大球星，檢視Iverson的職業生涯表現，給予他更公正的評價。

(by sportsmed77)

[+Kareem Elwakil Those other posters shouldn't have insulted you to make their points, but I think your arguments are extremely weak. The only thing you bring up is that AI's career FG% was 42% and that he jacked up "30 shots" to get his points. His FG% was technically 42.5% for his career (Tracy McGrady's was 43% and Kobe Bryant's was 45%, which really isn't that much higher relatively speaking by the way) and a lot of AI's missed shots had to do with the team he was playing on and how their offense was structured, his role on the team as the only scorer, etc. but I won't get into that. AI averaged about 21 shots per game for his career, by the way. Hardly the 30 shots per game you tried to give him credit for. AI led the NBA in scoring 4 times, and out of those for times, only twice did he also lead the league in field goal attempts (and not by much - plus he averaged more free throws than everyone else) so the argument that "if anyone shot as much as AI did, they would score as much too" clearly is not the case. In his prime, Tracy McGrady averaged about 23 shots per game, Kobe Bryant also about 23 shots per game, and AI also about 23 shots per game. AI, Kobe, and Jordan all had a season where they shot the ball 27 times per game. Per 36 minutes, AI only averaged 19 shots per game for his career (keep in mind, AI played more minutes than anyone else each game during his era). Michael Jordan averaged 23 shots per game for his entire career. For his career, Jerry West averaged 20 shots per game and in his prime, it was about 22 shots per game. Before Lebron James got there, Dwayne Wade was averaging between 20 and 22 shots per game for a few seasons because he was the go-to option. You know what all of these players have in common with AI? They were all SHOOTING GUARDS and the go-to option! They were supposed to shoot! Some SGs are volume shooters who slash and get to the free throw line. Some of them have lower FG% but still are productive for their teams. Other SGs have a higher efficiency, but a player's FG% really depends on a number of factors you haven't even taken into consideration.

To reiterate this point, for most of AI's career, he was a SHOOTING GUARD. I hate when people compare him to point guards and then act like he was worse than them because he didn't play like a PG. It is ridiculous because it is like comparing apples with oranges. By the way, you brought up Jason Kidd and how he was so much "better" than AI. Did you know Jason Kidd's career FG% is 40%? He had 10 seasons where he shot below 40% for the season. AI only shot below 40% for 1.5 seasons and his career FG% is higher than J-Kidd's. J-Kidd averaged 12 PPG for his career and only 2.8 free throw attempts. AI averages about 27 PPG for his career. So just as you can say J-Kidd was a way better passer than AI, I can say AI was a way better scorer than J-Kidd. They had different roles and they excelled in their roles. Jason's job was to pass, and AI's job was to create shots.

It is a myth that AI was not a good passer. AI averaged 6.2 assists per game for his career. That is good for a SG - more than Kobe, more than MJ, more than Vince Carter, more than Tracy McGrady, more than Wade, etc. AI had about 5 or 6 seasons where he averaged between 7 and 8 assists per game while still scoring 26+ points. It is impressive. He had an entire season where he averaged 33 PPG and 7.4 APG with 2 steals on 45% shooting and a TS% of over 54%, and people like you try to say he was just "okay at best"? AI had a unique style, especially for his size and was probably one of the top 5 most exciting players to watch. To say he was not "that good" shows that you likely saw very few AI games. I would say AI is a top 20-30 player all-time. Anyone who actually saw, for example, his 2001 play-offs and regular season run, would know that he was amazing and did so much for that team and if someone looks at the stat box, they will not get the actual story. You had to have seen the games with your own eyes. With AI, stats have always been misleading. I also want to point out that AI's True Shooting % (TS%) is slightly higher than Isiah "Zeke" Thomas and is pretty decent (at about 52%). He had a couple of seasons in Denver where his TS% was almost 57%. TS% is a much more accurate depiction of someone's accuracy when shooting. You know why? Because it takes into account free throws among other factors. AI is one of the greatest players of all-time at getting to the free throw line, and unlike Lebron James and many others, he didn't flop to do it. He was legitimately fouled, hurt, and referees even admitted to conspiring against him and purposely not calling fouls on players who fouled him when they should have. Yet AI is still 10th all-time in free throws made. He was a slashing, fearless guard with incredible talent and an ability to create shots for himself that very few other players have been able to do. His style of play is more comparable to Kobe Bryant or Tracy McGrady (Kobe had a better career, but in AI's prime there were seasons where they were almost equally good). Yet he is 160 lbs. soaking wet so he is an anomoly because small players aren't supposed to be able to do what he does. The two years AI's shooting percentage was the lowest in Philly, he had just come off of a serious elbow surgery (2001-2002) and had played with a broken hand another season. You put so much emphasis on his accuracy those seasons, but what about his heart? How many players would play with the injuries he had? I guarantee you not many. Even while in Denver, Carmelo said AI was playing with a broken finger the entire season. In the 2001 play-offs by the end of the 2nd round, AI had 7 injuries (serious elbow bursitis, knee bursitis, dislocated shoulder, sprained thumb, hip pointer, bruised tailbown, and twisted ankle). Yet he played, and he played his heart out contributing to his team in other ways even when he couldn't find his shooting rhythm due to the pain he was in. I watched every game he played in back then (even taped them so I could immitate some of his moves since I played ball). I would know.

I am definitely convinced that anyone who claims Iverson was an "extremely poor shooter" either did not watch him play or knows a lot less about basketball than they think they know. AI was not a poor shooter. He took incredibly difficult shots - often times while double and triple teamed, and given that he was smaller than everyone else, it is incredible that he still made some of them. He was a shot creator. He was immensely creative. Larry Brown even used to sit on the sidelines and call out to AI to shoot the ball more and create shots. Even George Karl in Denver once told AI to shoot the ball more, stop being so UNSELFISH, and take over games the way he used to in Philly. Unfortunately the media doesn't like to talk about that. Not one of AI's teammates thought he was selfish. I have seen very few players who are as loved and respected by his former teammates and former peers as AI. The amount of love he gets from everyone from Dr. J, Maurice Cheeks, Moses Malone, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Aaron McKie, Eric Snow, Theo Ratliff, Dikembe Mutombo, Chris Webber, Kyle Korver, Chris Paul, James Harden, Larry Brown, Paul Pierce, John Thompson, Andre Iguodala, Larry Hughes, Bill Walton, Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace, Shawn Marion, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Shaquille O'Neal, etc. etc. etc. I can go on and on. Many of these very players have called AI "pound for pound the greatest." I have seen very few players get so much love and adoration by their peers. I was at AI's jersey retirement and heard what so many players around the league past and present had to say about him and it was just insane. I also have never heard one of AI's former teammates call him a bad teammate. They loved him and loved playing with him. It is the media that tries to paint that picture, but his peers and former teammates paint a completely different picture.

What the media says is a myth. AI's former coaches and teammates and peers adore him. In 2001, AI had the most first place MVP votes in history (tied with Shaq) and became the smallest player to ever win the MVP award. You think he is overrated? I guarantee you the people who vote on MVP, the players, the coaching staff, etc. know far more about AI's contributions to the sport, how good he was, etc. than you do. He deserves what he got. Every accomplishment he achieved, he did it despite immense adversity. He is 7th All-Time in PPG, 4th All-Time in Minutes Played, 7th All-time in Steals, won 1st Team All-NBA multiple times... this man played with so much heart and believed in himself so much that you had to believe in him. This man is up there with MJ, Kobe, Wilt, and players of that caliber for most 40 and 50 point games in his career. I hate when people try to take away from his accomplishments rather than appreciating him for what he accomplished at his size and what he brought to the game. He is the reason I played basketball at all. He gave little people hope. He is a cultural icon. I really wish people would stop with the "AI is overrated" nonsense. If your peers think that highly of you to call you "pound for pound the greatest," then obviously you did something right. ]

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Allen Iverson turned the boos to cheers and the Philadelphia 76ers turned back the Utah Jazz.

Iverson returned from a one-game suspension to score 24 points, including a clutch 3-pointer with two minutes to go, as the 76ers pulled away for a 99-97 victory over the Jazz, who had a nine-game winning streak snapped.

Iverson missed a shootaround and was suspended by 76ers coach Larry Brown for Thursday's 92-77 loss at Miami. Iverson called the team and said he had a headache, but Brown suspended him anyway for an accumulation of trangressions.

Upset that he was not trusted by management, the NBA's scoring leader received a smattering of boos when he was introduced before tonight's game.

"That's the way life is. You can't satisfy everybody," Iverson said. "There is going to be a billion fans out here that love Allen Iverson and a billion that hate him. Once you start worrying about the ones that hate you, that's when you start to lose focus."

"That was the worst thing that could happen," Brown said. "It had to be hard. I didn't particularly listen but Randy (assistant coach Randy Ayers) mentioned it. ... You hope there is closure to it and it's over. And the way he played, I didn't hear anybody complaining."

Iverson won over the crowd with an excellent floor game that included 4-of-5 shooting from 3-point range and a season-high nine assists.

"He played his best all-around game, to be perfectly honest with you," Brown said. "He made the other people better. He made big shots and I think it's a tribute to him that he could play under those circumstances."

"I was real ready to play this game," said Iverson, who was 8-of-20 from the field. "We've never beat Utah since I've been here."

Iverson helped the 76ers beat the Jazz at their own game -- offensive execution down the stretch. Philadelphia answered nearly every basket by Utah with one of its own and ended a five-game losing streak in the series.

"We did a really great job," said Brown, who tied Jazz coach Jerry Sloan on the all-time list with 718 victories. "They are as good as anybody in the league in execution and they made plays. I did a hell of a job in late-game situations with substituting offense-defense. They scored on our defensive team every trip but we got it done. I didn't think it would be easy."

"They deserved to win. They outplayed us and outworked us," Sloan said. "We didn't do the things down the stretch that give you a chance to win. We played like winning wasn't important to us."

The Jazz had a chance to cut the deficit to three points but Karl Malone missed a pair of free throws. Utah appeared to have Iverson trapped, but he spun through two defenders and drove before firing a behind-the-back pass to Theo Ratliff, who dunked for an 88-81 lead with 3:40 remaining.

A 3-pointer by John Stockton cut the deficit to 90-85 with 2:37 to play but Iverson answered with a 3-pointer and put his hand to his ear, calling for cheers from the First Union Center crowd.

Iverson added another basket for a 97-89 lead with 59 seconds to go and the Sixers withstood eight points from sharpshooting Jeff Hornacek to improve to 15-7 in games decided by three points or less.

"I told him that everybody in that locker room respects him for the way he competes every night so we have to go from here and all make a commitment to get this thing over with," Brown said. "Every time I've ever been involved with him in a situation like this, he's responded really favorably. You're going to have slippage that happens. He's 24 years old, you have to remember that. I don't know many 24-year-olds that are in a position he is with so much scrutiny."

Philadelphia's Toni Kukoc scored 14 points and led a bench that outscored Utah's reserves, 33-17. Tyrone Hill and Theo Ratliff scored 12 points apiece for the Sixers, who shot 50 percent (41-of-82) and made 11-of-12 free throws.

Malone had 31 points and 13 rebounds and Hornacek scored 16 points for the Jazz, who had not lost since February 27 at Portland and fell to 3-1 on their five-game road trip. Utah shot 45 percent (34-of-76) and held a 43-36 rebounding edge.

"We lose by two points and I miss six free throws (out of 15)," Malone said. "That's what I'll think about. They did a lot of things down the stretch to win this ballgame. They got the offensive rebounds and made big shots."

Allen Iverson is set to retire from the NBA, according to an online report.

Commentator Stephen A. Smith published a statement on his Web site Wednesday attributed to Iverson. It said Iverson plans to retire but also that "I feel strongly that I can still compete at the highest level."

The statement also said Iverson has tremendous love for the game and the desire to play.

"His legacy would be huge," Cleveland Cavaliers All-Star LeBron James said. "He's one of the best when you talk about guys 6-foot and under in the game of basketball. He played injured and he played hard every single night. I don't think it should end this way, but if it does, he's left a lot of great things behind."

The 10-time All-Star played three games this season with Memphis before taking a leave of absence to attend to personal matters. He was waived after the two sides agreed to part ways.

It was the second straight ugly ending for Iverson, who was unhappy last season playing for the Pistons. He was upset that Detroit coach Michael Curry and Memphis' Lionel Hollins used the former MVP as a reserve.

The New York Knicks considered signing Iverson last week after he cleared waivers, before deciding he would take too much playing time away from younger players they are trying to develop.

The Knicks seemed to be the only team who would consider bringing in Iverson, so there was no guarantee he'd play in the NBA this season, anyway. Still, the announcement Wednesday came as a surprise to George Karl, who coached Iverson in Denver.

"I think he still has something left to give some team out there. If that's his decision, he'll go down in history, I think, as the greatest little guard ever to play the game of basketball," Karl said.

"I was happy to have him for a couple years and hopefully our paths will cross. But I have a sneaky feeling that somewhere along the way an injury or a circumstance with a team will open that window back up."

One of the NBA's great scorers, Iverson entered this season with a career average of 27.1 points that ranked fifth all time. Yet there was almost no interest in him this summer before he went to the Grizzlies on a one-year deal.

Iverson can still score, as he averaged 17.4 points with the Pistons last season. Yet he has made it clear he doesn't view himself as a backup, which has likely hurt his chances of signing with a contending team.

The 6-foot guard thanked former players and coaches in the statement, plus the fans in Memphis and Philadelphia, where he spent his best years. He said stepping away would allow him to spend more time with his wife and kids.

He also said he thought he could still play after 14 seasons.

"I always thought that when I left the game, it would be because I couldn't help my team the way that I was accustomed to," it read. "However, that is not the case."

Messages were left for Iverson's agent, Leon Rose, and his business manager, Gary Moore.

If this is the end for Iverson, he leaves with four scoring titles and a playoff scoring average of 29.7 points that ranks second only to Michael Jordan. He led the 76ers to the 2001 NBA finals but never won a championship.

Or he could choose to wait and see if a team in need of a scorer comes looking for him later this season.

"I don't ever believe anyone retires until they get to the point they have to," Boston coach Doc Rivers said. "He had a great career if it is true, but I still think he has more to offer."

Rasheed Wallace showed he knows how to use a technical foul call as motivation.


Wallace made three 3-pointers in the fourth quarter and scored 17 points in the final 15 minutes after picking up a technical, and the Detroit Pistons rallied from 10 points down to beat San Antonio 89-77 on Tuesday night despite the return of Manu Ginobili to the Spurs' starting lineup.

"After the tech, he kind of took matters in his own hands, started being a lot more aggressive," Allen Iverson said. "It paid dividends for us."

But scoring wasn't the first thing on Wallace's mind in the second half. He was more concerned with how the game was being officiated -- tipping toward the Spurs, he thought.

"I knew what it was going to be out there, and I didn't want our team to fall into that," Wallace said. "We knew how it was going to be, especially going against the league darlings."

Wallace finished with 19 points and Iverson also scored 19 for Detroit (11-6), which has won two of three. Richard Hamilton added 16 points and Tayshaun Prince scored 15.

Rodney Stuckey came off the bench to score 10 points and had seven assists.

The Spurs (9-8) have dropped two straight after winning four in a row. They were led by Tim Duncan, who had 23 points, but just one point in the fourth quarter.

He wasn't the only one to have a letdown in the fourth quarter. San Antonio went 5-of-15 from the floor, and the Pistons converted the Spurs' six turnovers into 10 points.

"The most disturbing thing is that we were very soft," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "I think Detroit intimidated us. It was really sad to watch in that respect. I thought we totally folded to their aggressive play."

Ginobili scored 13 in his first start of the season after missing the first 12 games because of offseason ankle surgery. But he was 4-of-11 from the floor -- 1-of-4 in the fourth quarter.

"Ginobili is tough to guard," Pistons coach Michael Curry said. "We played him tough and gave ourselves a chance to win."

The Pistons, who trailed by 10 twice in the third quarter, finally pulled ahead when Wallace hit a 3-pointer almost four minutes into the fourth quarter. Wallace hit two more 3s in the fourth quarter as Detroit outscored the Spurs 28-14.

"We should have played that hard from the gate," Wallace said. "We wouldn't have been in that deficit. We're a resilient young team. Guys knuckled up in that second half."

Iverson trimmed the Spurs' 50-40 lead early in the third quarter down to 52-50 on a layup with 7:18 remaining in the period.

But San Antonio scored eight straight, capped by Bruce Bowen's 3-pointer with 3:14 left in the third, to go ahead 60-50 with 3:14 left in the third quarter.

Iverson's 3-pointer cut the Spurs' lead to one point, but Ginobili quickly hit his own 3-pointer. San Antonio clung to a 63-61 lead heading into the fourth quarter.

After starting the game 4-of-5 for a two-point lead, the Pistons went 1-of-7 during the next 5:22 and the Spurs held their largest lead of the first quarter at 16-10.

Iverson, who played the entire opening quarter for seven points on 3-of-5 shooting, got Detroit back on track with a 3-pointer to cut San Antonio's lead to 16-13 with 3:42 to go. But the Spurs led by five heading into the second quarter.

San Antonio led by as many as seven points in the second quarter before the Pistons scored 12 consecutive points during a stretch of 3:28. The run consisted of a pair of free throws and five straight layups. The last two were slam dunks by Jason Maxiell that gave Detroit a 31-26 lead with 7:10 left in the first half.

The Pistons shot 50 percent from the floor and were 6-of-11 from the 3-point line compared to the Spurs' 6-of-24. San Antonio shot 39 percent from the floor.

Game notes
Hamilton tied John Long (1978-91) for eighth place on the Pistons' all-time scoring list. ... Matt Bonner started his fourth game of the season for the Spurs on Tuesday, but it was his first since the fourth game of the season on Nov. 5. ... The Pistons are 5-2 against the Spurs since losing the '05 Finals in a seven-game series.