這是前些日子爆出已經被加拿大法院接理對藏傳佛教噶舉派法王的訟訴。(加拿大法院鏈接在此:https://www.bccourts.ca/jdb-txt/sc/21/09/2021BCSC0939cor1.htm?fbclid=IwAR2FLZlzmUIGTBaTuKPVchEqqngcE3Qy6G_C0TWNWVKa2ksbIYkVJVMQ8f8)
這位法王的桃色事件,我是幾年前才聽到。但,藏傳佛教的高層有這些性醜聞,我已經聽了幾十年。我以前的一位前女友也被一些堪布藉故上她的家摟抱過,也有一些活佛跟她表白。(這不只是她,其他地方我也聽過不少)
這是一個藏傳佛教裡面系統式的問題。
很多時候發生這種事情,信徒和教主往往都是說女方得不到寵而報仇,或者說她們也精神病,或者說她們撒謊。
我不排除有這種可能性,但,多過一位,甚至多位出來指證的時候,我是傾向於相信『沒有那麼巧這麼多有精神病的女人要撒謊來報仇』。
大寶法王的桃色事件,最先吹哨的是一位台灣的在家信徒,第二位是香港的女出家人,現在加拿大又多一位公開舉報上法庭。
對大寶法王信徒來說,這一次的比較麻煩,因為是有孩子的。(關於有孩子的,我早在法王的桃色事件曝光時,就有聽聞)
如果法庭勒令要驗證DNA,這對法王和他的信徒來說,會很尷尬和矛盾,因為做或不做,都死。
你若問我,我覺得『人數是有力量的』,同時我也覺得之後有更多的人站出來,是不出奇的。
我也藉此呼籲各方佛教徒,如果你們真的愛佛教,先別說批判,但如鴕鳥般不討論這些爭議,你是間接害了佛教。
(下面是我從加拿大法院鏈接拷貝下來的內容,當中有很多細節。)
Table of Contents
INTRODUCTION
BACKGROUND
ANALYSIS
A. The Spousal Support Claim in this Case
B. The Test to Amend Pleadings
C. Pleadings in Family Law Cases
D. The Legal Concept of a Marriage-Like Relationship
E. Is There a Reasonable Claim of a Marriage-Like Relationship?
F. Delay / Prejudice
CONCLUSION
INTRODUCTION
[1] The claimant applies to amend her notice of family claim to seek spousal support. At issue is whether the claimant’s allegations give rise to a reasonable claim she lived with the respondent in a marriage-like relationship, so as to give rise to a potential entitlement to spousal support under the Family Law Act, S.B.C. 2011, c. 25 (“FLA”).
[2] The facts alleged by the claimant do not fit within a traditional concept of marriage. The claimant does not allege that she and the respondent ever lived together. Indeed, she has only met the respondent in person four times: twice very briefly in a public setting; a third time in private, when she alleges the respondent sexually assaulted her; and a fourth and final occasion, when she informed the respondent she was pregnant with his child.
[3] The claimant’s case is that what began as a non-consensual sexual encounter evolved into a loving and affectionate relationship. That relationship occurred almost entirely over private text messages. The parties rarely spoke on the telephone, and never saw one another during the relationship, even over video. The claimant says they could not be together because the respondent is forbidden by his station and religious beliefs from intimate relationships or marriage. Nonetheless, she alleges, they formed a marriage-like relationship that lasted from January 2018 to January 2019.
[4] The respondent denies any romantic relationship with the claimant. While he acknowledges providing emotional and financial support to the claimant, he says it was for the benefit of the child the claimant told him was his daughter.
[5] The claimant’s proposed amendment raises a novel question: can a secret relationship that began on-line and never moved into the physical world be like a marriage? In my view, that question should be answered by a trial judge after hearing all of the evidence. The alleged facts give rise to a reasonable claim the claimant lived with the respondent in a marriage-like relationship. Accordingly, I grant the claimant leave to amend her notice of family claim.
BACKGROUND
[6] It should be emphasized that this is an application to amend pleadings only. The allegations by the claimant are presumed to be true for the purposes of this application. Those allegations have not been tested in a court of law.
[7] The respondent, Ogyen Trinley Dorje, is a high lama of the Karma Kagyu School of Tibetan Buddhism. He has been recognized and enthroned as His Holiness, the 17th Gyalwang Karmapa. Without meaning any disrespect, I will refer to him as Mr. Dorje in these reasons for judgment.
[8] Mr. Dorje leads a monastic and nomadic lifestyle. His true home is Tibet, but he currently resides in India. He receives followers from around the world at the Gyuto Monetary in India. He also travels the world teaching Tibetan Buddhist Dharma and hosting pujas, ceremonies at which Buddhists express their gratitude and devotion to the Buddha.
[9] The claimant, Vikki Hui Xin Han, is a former nun of Tibetan Buddhism. Ms. Han first encountered Mr. Dorje briefly at a large puja in 2014. The experience of the puja convinced Ms. Han she wanted to become a Buddhist nun. She met briefly with Mr. Dorje, in accordance with Kagyu traditions, to obtain his approval to become a nun.
[10] In October 2016, Ms. Han began a three-year, three-month meditation retreat at a monastery in New York State. Her objective was to learn the practices and teachings of the Kagyu Lineage. Mr. Dorje was present at the retreat twice during the time Ms. Han was at the monastery.
[11] Ms. Han alleges that on October 14, 2017, Mr. Dorje sexually assaulted her in her room at the monastery. She alleges that she became pregnant from the assault.
[12] After she learned that she was pregnant, Ms. Han requested a private audience with Mr. Dorje. In November 2017, in the presence of his bodyguards, Ms. Han informed Mr. Dorje she was pregnant with his child. Mr. Dorje initially denied responsibility; however, he provided Ms. Han with his email address and a cellphone number, and, according to Ms. Han, said he would “prepare some money” for her.
[13] Ms. Han abandoned her plan to become a nun, left the retreat and returned to Canada. She never saw Mr. Dorje again.
[14] After Ms. Han returned to Canada, she and Mr. Dorje began a regular communication over an instant messaging app called Line. They also exchanged emails and occasionally spoke on the telephone.
[15] The parties appear to have expressed care and affection for one another in these communications. I say “appear to” because it is difficult to fully understand the meaning and intentions of another person from brief text messages, especially those originally written in a different language. The parties wrote in a private shorthand, sharing jokes, emojis, cartoon portraits and “hugs” or “kisses”. Ms. Han was the more expressive of the two, writing more frequently and in longer messages. Mr. Dorje generally participated in response to questions or prompting from Ms. Han, sometimes in single word messages.
[16] Ms. Han deposes that she believed Mr. Dorje was in love with her and that, by January 2018, she and Mr. Dorje were living in a “conjugal relationship”.
[17] During their communications, Ms. Han expressed concern that her child would be “illegitimate”. She appears to have asked Mr. Dorje to marry her, and he appears to have responded that he was “not ready”.
[18] Throughout 2018, Mr. Dorje transferred funds in various denominations to Ms. Han through various third parties. Ms. Han deposes that these funds were:
a) $50,000 CDN to deliver the child and for postpartum care she was to receive at a facility in Seattle;
b) $300,000 CDN for the first year of the child’s life;
c) $20,000 USD for a wedding ring, because Ms. Han wrote “Even if we cannot get married, you must buy me a wedding ring”;
d) $400,000 USD to purchase a home for the mother and child.
[19] On June 19, 2018, Ms. Han gave birth to a daughter in Richmond, B.C.
[20] On September 17, 2018, Mr. Dorje wrote, ”Taking care of her and you are my duty for life”.
[21] Ms. Han’s expectation was that the parties would live together in the future. She says they planned to live together. Those plans evolved over time. Initially they involved purchasing a property in Toronto, so that Mr. Dorje could visit when he was in New York. They also discussed purchasing property in Calgary or renting a home in Vancouver for that purpose. Ms. Han eventually purchased a condominium in Richmond using funds provided by Mr. Dorje.
[22] Ms. Han deposes that the parties made plans for Mr. Dorje to visit her and meet the child in Richmond. In October 2018, however, Mr. Dorje wrote that he needed to “disappear” to Europe. He wrote:
I will definitely find a way to meet her
And you
Remember to take care of yourself if something happens
[23] The final plan the parties discussed, according to Ms. Han, was that Mr. Dorje would sponsor Ms. Han and the child to immigrate to the United States and live at the Kagyu retreat centre in New York State.
[24] In January 2019, Ms. Han lost contact with Mr. Dorje.
[25] Ms. Han commenced this family law case on July 17, 2019, seeking child support, a declaration of parentage and a parentage test. She did not seek spousal support.
[26] Ms. Han first proposed a claim for spousal support in October 2020 after a change in her counsel. Following an exchange of correspondence concerning an application for leave to amend the notice of family claim, Ms. Han’s counsel wrote that Ms. Han would not be advancing a spousal support claim. On March 16, 2020, counsel reversed course, and advised that Ms. Han had instructed him to proceed with the application.
[27] When this application came on before me, the trial was set to commence on June 7, 2021. The parties were still in the process of discoveries and obtaining translations for hundreds of pages of documents in Chinese characters.
[28] At a trial management conference on May 6, 2021, noting the parties were not ready to proceed, Madam Justice Walkem adjourned the trial to April 11, 2022.
ANALYSIS
A. The Spousal Support Claim in this Case
[29] To claim spousal support in this case, Ms. Han must plead that she lived with Mr. Dorje in a marriage-like relationship. This is because only “spouses” are entitled to spousal support, and s. 3 of the Family Law Act defines a spouse as a person who is married or has lived with another person in a marriage-like relationship:
3 (1) A person is a spouse for the purposes of this Act if the person
(a) is married to another person, or
(b) has lived with another person in a marriage-like relationship, and
(i) has done so for a continuous period of at least 2 years, or
(ii) except in Parts 5 [Property Division] and 6 [Pension Division], has a child with the other person.
[30] Because she alleges she has a child with Mr. Dorje, Ms. Han need not allege that the relationship endured for a continuous period of two years to claim spousal support; but she must allege that she lived in a marriage-like relationship with him at some point in time. Accordingly, she must amend the notice of family claim.
B. The Test to Amend Pleadings
[31] Given that the notice of trial has been served, Ms. Han requires leave of the court to amend the notice of family claim: Supreme Court Family Rule 8-1(1)(b)(i).
[32] A person seeking to amend a notice of family claim must show that there is a reasonable cause of action. This is a low threshold. What the applicant needs to establish is that, if the facts pleaded are proven at trial, they would support a reasonable claim. The applicant’s allegations of fact are assumed to be true for the purposes of this analysis. Cantelon v. Wall, 2015 BCSC 813, at para. 7-8.
[33] The applicant’s delay, the reasons for the delay, and the prejudice to the responding party are also relevant factors. The ultimate consideration is whether it would be just and convenient to allow the amendment. Cantelon, at para. 6, citing Teal Cedar Products Ltd. v. Dale Intermediaries Ltd. et al (1986), 19 B.C.L.R. (3d) 282.
C. Pleadings in Family Law Cases
[34] Supreme Court Family Rules 3-1(1) and 4-1(1) require that a claim to spousal support be pleaded in a notice of family claim in Form F3. Section 2 of Form F3, “Spousal relationship history”, requires a spousal support claimant to check the boxes that apply to them, according to whether they are or have been married or are or have been in a marriage-like relationship. Where a claimant alleges a marriage-like relationship, Form F3 requires that they provide the date on which they began to live together with the respondent in a marriage-like relationship and, where applicable, the date on which they separated. Form F3 does not require a statement of the factual basis for the claim of spousal support.
[35] In this case, Ms. Han seeks to amend the notice of family claim to allege that she and Mr. Dorje began to live in a marriage-like relationship in or around January 2018, and separated in or around January 2019.
[36] An allegation that a person lived with a claimant in a marriage-like relationship is a conclusion of law, not an allegation of fact. Unlike the rules governing pleadings in civil actions, however, the Supreme Court Family Rules do not expressly require family law claimants to plead the material facts in support of conclusions of law.
[37] In other words, there is no express requirement in the Supreme Court Family Rules that Ms. Han plead the facts on which she relies for the allegation she and Mr. Dorje lived in a marriage-like relationship.
[38] Rule 4-6 authorizes a party to demand particulars, and then apply to the court for an order for further and better particulars, of a matter stated in a pleading. However, unless and until she is granted leave and files the proposed amended notice of family claim, Ms. Han’s allegation of a marriage-like relationship is not a matter stated in a pleading.
[39] Ms. Han filed an affidavit in support of her application to amend the notice of family claim. Normally, evidence would not be required or admissible on an application to amend a pleading. However, in the unusual circumstances of this case, the parties agreed I may look to Ms. Han’s affidavit and exhibits for the facts she pleads in support of the allegation of a marriage-like relationship.
[40] Because this is an application to amend - and Ms. Han’s allegations of fact are presumed to be true - I have not considered Mr. Dorje’s responding affidavit.
[41] Relying on affidavit evidence for an application to amend pleadings is less than ideal. It tends to merge and confuse the material facts with the evidence that would be relied on to prove those facts. In a number of places in her affidavit, for example, Ms. Han describes her feelings, impressions and understandings. A person’s hopes and intentions are not normally material facts unless they are mutual or reasonably held. The facts on which Ms. Han alleges she and Mr. Dorje formed a marriage-like relationship are more important for the present purposes than her belief they entered into a conjugal union.
[42] Somewhat unusually, in this case, almost all of the parties’ relevant communications were in writing. This makes it somewhat easier to separate the facts from the evidence; however, as stated above, it is difficult to understand the intentions and actions of a person from brief text messages.
[43] In my view, it would be a good practice for applicants who seek to amend their pleadings in family law cases to provide opposing counsel and the court with a schedule of the material facts on which they rely for the proposed amendment.
D. The Legal Concept of a Marriage-Like Relationship
[44] As Mr. Justice Myers observed in Mother 1 v. Solus Trust Company, 2019 BCSC 200, the concept of a marriage-like relationship is elastic and difficult to define. This elasticity is illustrated by the following passage from Yakiwchuk v. Oaks, 2003 SKQB 124, quoted by Myers J. at para. 133 of Mother 1:
[10] Spousal relationships are many and varied. Individuals in spousal relationships, whether they are married or not, structure their relationships differently. In some relationships there is a complete blending of finances and property - in others, spouses keep their property and finances totally separate and in still others one spouse may totally control those aspects of the relationship with the other spouse having little or no knowledge or input. For some couples, sexual relations are very important - for others, that aspect may take a back seat to companionship. Some spouses do not share the same bed. There may be a variety of reasons for this such as health or personal choice. Some people are affectionate and demonstrative. They show their feelings for their “spouse” by holding hands, touching and kissing in public. Other individuals are not demonstrative and do not engage in public displays of affection. Some “spouses” do everything together - others do nothing together. Some “spouses” vacation together and some spend their holidays apart. Some “spouses” have children - others do not. It is this variation in the way human beings structure their relationships that make the determination of when a “spousal relationship” exists difficult to determine. With married couples, the relationship is easy to establish. The marriage ceremony is a public declaration of their commitment and intent. Relationships outside marriage are much more difficult to ascertain. Rarely is there any type of “public” declaration of intent. Often people begin cohabiting with little forethought or planning. Their motivation is often nothing more than wanting to “be together”. Some individuals have chosen to enter relationships outside marriage because they did not want the legal obligations imposed by that status. Some individuals have simply given no thought as to how their relationship would operate. Often the date when the cohabitation actually began is blurred because people “ease into” situations, spending more and more time together. Agreements between people verifying when their relationship began and how it will operate often do not exist.
[45] In Mother 1, Mr. Justice Myers referred to a list of 22 factors grouped into seven categories, from Maldowich v. Penttinen, (1980), 17 R.F.L. (2d) 376 (Ont. Dist. Ct.), that have frequently been cited in this and other courts for the purpose of determining whether a relationship was marriage-like, at para. 134 of Mother 1:
1. Shelter:
(a) Did the parties live under the same roof?
(b) What were the sleeping arrangements?
(c) Did anyone else occupy or share the available accommodation?
2. Sexual and Personal Behaviour:
(a) Did the parties have sexual relations? If not, why not?
(b) Did they maintain an attitude of fidelity to each other?
(c) What were their feelings toward each other?
(d) Did they communicate on a personal level?
(e) Did they eat their meals together?
(f) What, if anything, did they do to assist each other with problems or during illness?
(g) Did they buy gifts for each other on special occasions?
3. Services:
What was the conduct and habit of the parties in relation to:
(a) preparation of meals;
(b) washing and mending clothes;
(c) shopping;
(d) household maintenance; and
(e) any other domestic services?
4. Social:
(a) Did they participate together or separately in neighbourhood and community activities?
(b) What was the relationship and conduct of each of them toward members of their respective families and how did such families behave towards the parties?
5. Societal:
What was the attitude and conduct of the community toward each of them and as a couple?
6. Support (economic):
(a) What were the financial arrangements between the parties regarding the provision of or contribution toward the necessaries of life (food, clothing, shelter, recreation, etc.)?
(b) What were the arrangements concerning the acquisition and ownership of property?
(c) Was there any special financial arrangement between them which both agreed would be determinant of their overall relationship?
7. Children:
What was the attitude and conduct of the parties concerning children?
[46] In Austin v. Goerz, 2007 BCCA 586, the Court of Appeal cautioned against a “checklist approach”; rather, a court should "holistically" examine all the relevant factors. Cases like Molodowich provide helpful indicators of the sorts of behaviour that society associates with a marital relationship, the Court of Appeal said; however, “the presence or absence of any particular factor cannot be determinative of whether a relationship is marriage-like” (para. 58).
[47] In Weber v. Leclerc, 2015 BCCA 492, the Court of Appeal again affirmed that there is no checklist of characteristics that will be found in all marriages and then concluded with respect to evidence of intentions:
[23] The parties’ intentions – particularly the expectation that the relationship will be of lengthy, indeterminate duration – may be of importance in determining whether a relationship is “marriage-like”. While the court will consider the evidence expressly describing the parties’ intentions during the relationship, it will also test that evidence by considering whether the objective evidence is consonant with those intentions.
[24] The question of whether a relationship is “marriage-like” will also typically depend on more than just their intentions. Objective evidence of the parties’ lifestyle and interactions will also provide direct guidance on the question of whether the relationship was “marriage-like”.
[48] Significantly for this case, the courts have looked to mutual intent in order to find a marriage-like relationship. See, for example, L.E. v. D.J., 2011 BCSC 671 and Buell v. Unger, 2011 BCSC 35; Davey Estate v. Gruyaert, 2005 CarswellBC 3456 at 13 and 35.
[49] In Mother 1, Myers J. concluded his analysis of the law with the following learned comment:
[143] Having canvassed the law relating to the nature of a marriage-like relationship, I will digress to point out the problematic nature of the concept. It may be apparent from the above that determining whether a marriage-like relationship exists sometimes seems like sand running through one's fingers. Simply put, a marriage-like relationship is akin to a marriage without the formality of a marriage. But as the cases mentioned above have noted, people treat their marriages differently and have different conceptions of what marriage entails.
[50] In short, the determination of whether the parties in this case lived in a marriage-like relationship is a fact-specific inquiry that a trial judge would need to make on a “holistic” basis, having regard to all of the evidence. While the trial judge may consider the various factors listed in the authorities, those factors would not be treated as a checklist and no single factor or category of factors would be treated as being decisive.
E. Is There a Reasonable Claim of a Marriage-Like Relationship?
[51] In this case, many of the Molodowich factors are missing:
a) The parties never lived under the same roof. They never slept together. They were never in the same place at the same time during the relationship. The last time they saw each other in person was in November 2017, before the relationship began.
b) The parties never had consensual sex. They did not hug, kiss or hold hands. With the exception of the alleged sexual assault, they never touched one another physically.
c) The parties expressed care and affection for one another, but they rarely shared personal information or interest in their lives outside of their direct topic of communication. They did not write about their families, their friends, their religious beliefs or their work.
d) They expressed concern and support for one another when the other felt unwell or experienced health issues, but they did not provide any care or assistance during illness or other problems.
e) They did not assist one another with domestic chores.
f) They did not share their relationship with their peers or their community. There is no allegation, for example, that Mr. Dorje told his fellow monks or any of his followers about the relationship. There is no allegation that Ms. Han told her friends or any co-workers. Indeed, there is no allegation that anyone, with the exception of Ms. Han’s mother, knew about the relationship. Although Mr. Dorje gave Ms. Han’s mother a gift, he never met the mother and he never spoke to her.
g) They did not intend to have a child together. The child was conceived as a result of a sexual assault. While Mr. Dorje expressed interest in “meeting” the child, he never followed up. He currently has no relationship with the child. There is no allegation he has sought access or parenting arrangements.
[52] The only Molodowich factor of any real relevance in this case is economic support. Mr. Dorje provided the funds with which Ms. Han purchased a condominium. Mr. Dorje initially wrote that he wanted to buy a property with the money, but, he wrote, “It’s the same thing if you buy [it]”.
[53] Mr. Dorje also provided a significant amount of money for Ms. Han’s postpartum care and the child’s first year of life.
[54] This financial support may have been primarily for the benefit of the child. Even the condominium, Ms. Han wrote, was primarily for the benefit of the child.
[55] However, in my view, a trial judge may attach a broader significance to the financial support from Mr. Dorje than child support alone. A trial judge may find that the money Mr. Dorje provided to Ms. Han at her request was an expression of his commitment to her in circumstances in which he could not commit physically. The money and the gifts may be seen by the trial judge to have been a form of down payment by Mr. Dorje on a promise of continued emotional and financial support for Ms. Han, or, in Mr. Dorje’s own words, “Taking care of her and you are my duty for life” (emphasis added).
[56] On the other hand, I find it difficult to attach any particular significance to the fact that Mr. Dorje agreed to provide funds for Ms. Han to purchase a wedding ring. It appears to me that Ms. Han demanded that Mr. Dorje buy her a wedding ring, not that the ring had any mutual meaning to the parties as a marriage symbol. But it is relevant, in my view, that Mr. Dorje provided $20,000 USD to Ms. Han for something she wanted that was of no benefit to the child.
[57] Further, Ms. Han alleges that the parties intended to live together. At a minimum, a trial judge may find that the discussions about where Ms. Han and the child would live reflected a mutual intention of the parties to see one another and spend time together when they could.
[58] Mr. Dorje argues that an intention to live together at some point in the future is not sufficient to show that an existing relationship was marriage-like. He argues that the question of whether the relationship was marriage-like requires more than just intentions, citing Weber, supra.
[59] In my view, the documentary evidence referred to above provides some objective evidence in this case that the parties progressed beyond mere intentions. As stated, the parties appear to have expressed genuine care and affection for one another. They appear to have discussed marriage, trust, honesty, finances, mutual obligations and acquiring family property. These are not matters one would expect Mr. Dorje to discuss with a friend or a follower, or even with the mother of his child, without a marriage-like element of the relationship.
[60] A trial judge may find on the facts alleged by Ms. Han that the parties loved one another and would have lived together, but were unable to do so because of Mr. Dorje’s religious duties and nomadic lifestyle.
[61] The question I raised in the introduction to these reasons is whether a relationship that began on-line and never moved into the physical world can be marriage-like.
[62] Notably, the definition of a spouse in the Family Law Act does not require that the parties live together, only that they live with another person in a marriage-like relationship.
[63] In Connor Estate, 2017 BCSC 978, Mr. Justice Kent found that a couple that maintained two entirely separate households and never lived under the same roof formed a marriage-like relationship. (Connor Estate was decided under the intestacy provisions of the Wills, Estates and Succession Act, S.B.C. 2009, c. 13 ("WESA"), but courts have relied on cases decided under WESA and the FLA interchangeably for their definitions of a spouse.) Mr. Justice Kent found:
[50] The evidence is overwhelming and I find as a fact that Mr. Chambers and Ms. Connor loved and cared deeply about each other, and that they had a loving and intimate relationship for over 20 years that was far more than mere friendship or even so-called "friendship with benefits". I accept Mr. Chambers' evidence that he would have liked to share a home with Ms. Connor after the separation from his wife, but was unable to do so because of Ms. Connor's hoarding illness. The evidence amply supports, and I find as a fact, that Mr. Chambers and Ms. Connor loved each other, were faithful to each other, communicated with each other almost every day when they were not together, considered themselves to be (and presented themselves to be) "husband and wife" and were accepted by all who knew them as a couple.
[64] Connor Estate may be distinguishable from this case because Mr. Chambers and Ms. Connor were physically intimate for over 20 years, and presented themselves to the world as a married couple.
[65] Other decisions in which a marriage-like relationship has been found to exist despite the parties not living together have involved circumstances in which the couple lived under the same roof at previous points in the relationship, and the issue was whether they continued to be spouses after they took up separate residences: in Thompson v. Floyd, 2001 BCCA 78, the parties had lived together for a period of at least 11 years; in Roach v. Dutra, 2010 BCCA 264, the parties had lived together for approximately three years.
[66] However, as Mr. Justice Kent noted in Connor Estate:
[48] … [W]hile much guidance might be found in this case law, the simple fact is that no two cases are identical (and indeed they usually vary widely) and it is the assessment of evidence as a whole in this particular case which matters.
[67] Mr. Justice Kent concluded:
[53] Like human beings themselves, marriage-like relationships can come in many and various shapes. In this particular case, I have no doubt that such a relationship existed …
[68] As stated, Ms. Han’s claim is novel. It may even be weak. Almost all of the traditional factors are missing. The fact that Ms. Han and Mr. Dorje never lived under the same roof, never shared a bed and never even spent time together in person will militate against a finding they lived with one another in a marriage-like relationship. However, the traditional factors are not a mandatory check-list that confines the “elastic” concept of a marriage-like relationship. And if the COVID pandemic has taught us nothing else, it is that real relationships can form, blossom and end in virtual worlds.
[69] In my view, the merits of Ms. Han’s claim should be decided on the evidence. Subject to an overriding prejudice to Mr. Dorje, she should have leave to amend the notice of family claim. However, she should also provide meaningful particulars of the alleged marriage-like relationship.
F. Delay / Prejudice
[70] Ms. Han filed her notice of family claim on July 17, 2019. She brought this application to amend approximately one year and nine months after she filed the pleading, just over two months before the original trial date.
[71] Ms. Han’s delay was made all that more remarkable by her change in position from January 19, 2021, when she confirmed, through counsel, that she was not seeking spousal support in this case.
[72] Ms. Han gave notice of her intention to proceed with this application to Mr. Dorje on March 16, 2021. By the time the application was heard, the parties had conducted examinations for discovery without covering the issues that would arise from a claim of spousal support.
[73] Also, in April, Ms. Han produced additional documents, primarily text messages, that may be relevant to her claim of spousal support, but were undecipherable to counsel for Mr. Dorje, who does not read Mandarin.
[74] This application proceeded largely on documents selected and translated by counsel for Ms. Han. I was informed that Mandarin translations of the full materials would take 150 days.
[75] Understandably in the circumstances, Mr. Dorje argued that an amendment two months before trial would be neither just nor convenient. He argued that he would be prejudiced by an adjournment so as to allow Ms. Han to advance a late claim of spousal support.
[76] The circumstances changed on May 6, 2021, when Madam Justice Walkem adjourned the trial to July 2022 and reset it for 25 days. Madam Justice Walkem noted that most of the witnesses live internationally and require translators. She also noted that paternity may be in issue, and Mr. Dorje may amend his pleadings to raise that issue. It seems clear that, altogether apart from the potential spousal support claim, the parties were not ready to proceed to trial on June 7, 2021.
[77] In my view, any remaining prejudice to Mr. Dorje is outweighed by the importance of having all of the issues between the parties decided on their merits.
[78] Ms. Han’s delay and changes of position on spousal support may be a matter to de addressed in a future order of costs; but they are not grounds on which to deny her leave to amend the notice of family claim.
CONCLUSION
[79] Ms. Han is granted leave to amend her notice of family claim in the form attached as Appendix A to the notice of application to include a claim for spousal support.
[80] Within 21 days, or such other deadline as the parties may agree, Ms. Han must provide particulars of the marriage-like relationship alleged in the amended notice of family claim.
[81] Ms. Han is entitled to costs of this application in the cause of the spousal support claim.
“Master Elwood”
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【芸能事務所の生き残り方】
本題に入る前に近況報告からさせてください。
昨日もお話しさせていただいたのですが、3日前に募集を開始した「西野亮廣オンライン講演会 〜マーケティング講座【上級編】〜」に期待が集まっているみたいで、昨日の段階では受講生が850人だったのですが、今朝見たところ、1700名を超えていました。本当にありがとうございます。
(こちら↓)
https://silkhat.yoshimoto.co.jp/projects/2158
こちらの講演会は受講料が5300円となっておりますが、映画『えんとつ町のプペル』のオンラインムビチケ(前売り券)が「3枚」ついてくるので、受講料は実質ほぼ無料です。クラファンの手数料ぐらい。
当然、この講演会をやっても僕には利益なんてないのですが、僕からすると、そんなものよりも、皆で作った映画が一人でも多くの方に観てもらえる方が何千倍も何万倍も嬉しいので、まったく構いません。
モノを届ける為には、何が必要なのか?
人を集める為には、何をしなければならないのか?
今回の講演会では、エンターテイメントに限らず、全てのサービスに関わってくる問題と、その解き方について、かなり踏み込んだ話をしたいと思います。「上級編」とありますが、難しい言葉や、無駄な横文字は使わないので、ご安心ください。
https://silkhat.yoshimoto.co.jp/projects/2158
というわけで、今日の本題です。
今日は「キンコン西野が芸能事務所を作るなら…」というテーマでお話しさせていただきます。
僕は表向きは吉本興業のタレントなのですが、それって表舞台に出る時で、僕の実際の仕事は9割ぐらいが株式会社NISHINOの仕事なんですね。
ただ、吉本興業とバチっているってことはなくて、吉本興業と一緒にした方がいい仕事は一緒にしますし、「ここは組まない方がいいよね」という仕事は組まずに、株式会社NISHINOでやらせてもらっています。そのへんは臨機応変に。
吉本芸人の中では珍しい「吉本愛」がある男です。
やっぱり、なんだかんだ言っても自分を育ててくれた会社なので、その恩は何倍かにして返さないと気持ちが悪い。
だからこそ、ダメな時はかなり強めに「ダメだ」と言います。
かなり強めに(笑)
吉本興業に限らず、あらゆる芸能事務所がおかれている今の状況を、めちゃくちゃフラットな立場から切り取ると……やっぱり、最大の権威であった「テレビ」を観る人が減ってきて、それぞれがYouTubeチャンネルを持ってしまって、「テレビに出たい」というタレントや、「レギュラー番組が欲しい」というタレントが減ってきた。
くわえて吉本興業の場合だと、コロナで劇場もやられてしまって……それによって「いや、劇場でネタをおろすより、ジャルジャルみたいにYouTubeでネタをおろした方が多くの人に見られるし、実入りもいいんじゃね?」というのがバレてしまって……今、全員の頭の中にある疑問は「芸能事務所って本当に必要なの?」だと思います。
インターネットの本質は「直接購入」なので、どうしても「中抜き」の立場は弱くなってしまう。
そんな中、今、各芸能事務所が生き残りをかけて、あれやこれやと手を打っているわけですが、たとえば、こと吉本興業に関していうと、やっぱりこれまで「大仏商売」だったんですよね。
明石家さんまサンがいて、ダウンタウンさんがいて、ナインティナインさんがいて…という。もちろん、その才能を生んだのは吉本興業であることは間違いないのですが、「生んだ才能に乗っかり続けた」というのも、また事実。
それでも、ネットインフラが整うまでは、それでいけたんですよね。
タレントのスケジュールを切って、ギャラ交渉をして、時々、バーターで新人を挟んで…というビジネスモデルを長らくアップデートする必要がなかった。
それはそれで本当に凄いことなんだけども。
だけど今は、ネットインフラ、もっと言うと、動画インフラやダイレクト課金インフラが整ってしまったので、もう「事務所に所属していないと世に出れない」みたいな時代じゃなくなった。
で、「これはヤバイ!」となって、今、慌てて、各芸能事務所デジタル化らしきものを進めているのですが、肌感でいうと7〜8年ぐらい遅い。
「UI、UX、何やそれ?」「オンラインサロンって、儲かりまんの?」という世界です。
本当に、何年も前に止まってしまった時計の針を今、慌てて動かしているから、ガタガタギシギシ鳴っているのが現状です。
頑張っているのは分かるのですが、そこに対する知識が圧倒的に不足しているから、流行っているものを見よう見まねで始めては見るものの、全然イケてないサービスを量産してしまう。
「そういうことじゃねえんだよ」の連続です。
一つ、吉本興業のクラウドファンディング「SILKHAT」に関しては、立ち上げから携わらせてもらった手前、今でも逐一「ここは違う、ここはこうだ」と口を挟ませてもらっているのですが、それ以外の吉本が仕掛けているサービスなんかは、ちょっとよく分からない。
救いは社外取締役で来てくださったビリギャルの坪田さんで、さすが坪田さん案件はイケてるなぁと思うのですが、ただ、坪田さんの身体は一つしかないので、さすがに吉本興業の全てのサービスをカバーすることは難しい。
吉本って、本当に大きな会社なんです。
ネットは特に適者生存の世界で、これまでリアル社会でどれだけ幅をきかせていようが、時代に合っていなかったら、1秒で駆逐されてしまうんです。
時計の針を長年止めていた人が見よう真似で参戦して生き残れる世界じゃないんですね。
今、コロナで食い扶持が減った各芸能事務所が、「新しい収入源を作れ〜」と躍起になっていると思います。
このへんの展開は手に取るように分かるのですが、まぁ、いろんな事務所さんが「オンラインサロン」を始めると思います。
始める理由は「オンラインサロンは、どうやら儲かるらしいから」です。
そして僕の見立てだと、ほぼ100%失敗します。
「なぜ、ダイレクト課金が成立しているか?」を構造で理解していないからです。
「認知」と「人気」の違いを本質的な部分で理解できていない。
今田さんや東野さん、この前だと華大さんとか千鳥さんとかが「そういうのは、知識の無い社員が旗を振らずに、西野に頼んでやってもらったらいいんだよ」と言っていたんですが、僕本人が言うのもアレですが、本当にそうだと思うんですね。
でも、社員は絶対に聞いてこない。
僕は日本の名だたる企業さんから社員向けの講演会のオファーを受けるのですが、吉本興業から頼まれたことは一回もありません。
自分で言うとカドが立つので嫌なのですが、でも実際問題、クラウドファンディングで日本で一番支援を集めていて、オンラインサロンで日本で一番会員を集めていて、なんか国内最大の広告賞を取っている。
…そんな奴が、自分とこの会社にいて、カジュアルにアドバイスを求められる距離にいるんだったら、アドバイスを求めた方がよくないですか?
渡辺直美ちゃんにインスタの運営方法を聞いた方がよくないですか?
カジサックやオリラジの中田君にYouTubeの勉強会を開いてもらった方がよくないですか?
でも、それをしないんです。なぜか?
「プライド」です。
芸能事務所とテレビというタッグはこれまで本当に強くて、タレントはあくまで「使う存在」だったので、「教えてくださ〜い」とは言えない。
現役のバリバリ第一線でやっている人が、隣にいるんです。これ、勿体無いでしょ。
僕が吉本興業の社長なら、西野にギャラ100万円渡して、なんばグランド花月に吉本の全社員を入れて、西野のマーケティング講座をやります。もしくは西野の書籍「革命のファンファーレ」あたりを全社員に配ります。
#どうせ西野は100万円を全額寄付します
これビッグマウスでも天狗でも何でもなくて、普通のビジネスマインドを持った人からすると、かなりフラットな意見だと思います。
で、今日の本題である「キンコン西野が芸能事務所を作るなら…」というところなのですが、やっぱり、今、一番時代を切り取れているのは、「結果を残しているプレイヤー」であることは間違いないんです。
そこに、あらゆる情報が集中しているので。やっぱり、その人が一番、知識がある。
その上で、僕が芸能事務所を作るのなら…………トッププレイヤーに株を持たせます。
むしろ、事務所の方から頼みこんで、事務所の株を持ってもらう。
株を持ってもらうのが難しいというのであれば、顧問料として業務ごとに契約して、事務所の売り上げのパーセンテージ渡します。
吉本興業でやるYouTubeならば、顧問料として、カジサックやオリラジ中田君に僅かでもパーセンテージを渡します。
そうすると、カジサックやオリラジ中田君は、吉本興業のYouTubeを盛り上げようとして、他の吉本芸人のYouTubeチャンネルの宣伝を自発的に行ってくれるので。
これから「タレントに株を渡せる事務所」と「タレントに株を渡せない事務所」の明暗は大きく分かれてくると思います。
今日のオンラインサロンの記事は、ここから、さらに踏み込んだ話をしたいと思います。
よろ!
▼西野亮廣の最新のエンタメビジネスに関する記事(1記事=2000~3000文字)が毎朝読めるのはオンラインサロン(ほぼメルマガ)はコチラ↓
https://salon.jp/nishino
▼Instagram版はコチラ↓
https://nishino73.thebase.in/items/25497065
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2020年12月25日公開!
映画『えんとつ町のプペル』
▼オンラインムビチケ(特典付き)の購入はこちら↓
https://mvtk.jp/Film/070395
▼上映館はこちら
https://theater.toho.co.jp/toho_theaterlist/poupelle.html…
[how to survive the entertainment office]
Let me make a status report before entering the chase.
I was able to talk to you yesterday, but I started recruiting 3 days ago, ′′ Ryo Nishino Online Lecture ~ Marketing course [Advanced Edition]~" it seems that there is a lot of expectations for yesterday's stage, and I'm going to have a good time with the students There were 850 people, but I just saw it in the morning, and it was over 1700 people. Thank you so much.
(here ↓)
https://silkhat.yoshimoto.co.jp/projects/2158
This lecture is 5300 yen for the enrollment fee, but the online bangabandhu (advance tickets) of the movie ′′ a town ′′ is coming with ′′ 3 pieces ′′ so I'm going to enroll The fee is virtually almost free. About the fees of a fan.
Of course, I don't have any profit to do this lecture, but from me, it's a thousand times more than that, it's a lot of people who have been able to watch a lot of movies that we all made. I'm so happy that I'm so happy that I'm so happy that I'm
What do you need to deliver things?
What do you have to do to collect people?
In this lecture, I would like to talk about the problem that is involved in all services, and the problem that is involved in all services, and the solving of it." it is an advanced version." but it is difficult words and useless. I don't use the side letters, so please rest assured.
https://silkhat.yoshimoto.co.jp/projects/2158
So today's chase.
Today we will talk about the theme of ′′ if xin nishino is going to make an entertainment office..."
I'm officially a talent for yoshimoto kogyo, but it's time to go on the stage, and my actual work is about 9 % of Nishino Co Ltd.
It's just that I'm not drumstick with yoshimoto kogyo, but I'm going to have a good time with yoshimoto kogyo, and I'm going to have a good time with the work that I don't have to set up here, but I'm going to do it I'm giving it to you. I'm flexing it.
This is a man who has a rare ′′ Yoshimoto Love ′′ among yoshimoto comedians.
As expected, it's a company that raised me even if I said it, so i feel bad if I don't return it to a few times.
That's why when you can't do it, it's pretty strong to say ′′ no
Pretty strong lol
It's not limited to yoshimoto kogyo, but when you cut the current situation that every entertainment office is in a flat position...... as expected, there are many people who watch ′′ TV ′′ that was the biggest authority, and each one is youtube I have a channel, and I have lost the talent of ′′ I want to be on TV ′′ and ′′ I want a regular program,"
In the case of yoshimoto kogyo in the mouth, the theater was also hit in corona...... by that, ′′ No, it's a lot of people who put down the story on Youtube like jal rather than lowering the story in the theater. I found out that it's good to have a good time?" now I think that the question in everyone's head is ′′ I really need an entertainment office?"
The essence of the internet is ′′ direct purchase so the position of ′′ inside ′′ is going to be weak.
In such a way, each entertainment office has survived, and it is hitting their hands with this, but for example, about yoshimoto kogyo, it was a ′′ Daibutsu business ′′ so far.
There is a akashiya san, and there is downtown, and there is a nine nine nine... Of course, there is no doubt that it is yoshimoto kogyo who gave birth to the talent, but it is also a fact that ′′ I have continued to be born with the talent that I have been born,"
Still, until the net infrastructure is done, it's done.
I didn't have to update my business model for a long time, when I cut my talent schedule, negotiate galaga, and sometimes, in remembrance of the newcomer...
That's really amazing though.
But now, net infrastructure, more to say, video infrastructure and direct charge infrastructure have been set up, so it's no longer an era like ′′ if you don't belong to the office, you can't get out of the world
So," this is crazy!" and now I'm in a hurry, and I'm going to have a good time with each entertainment office digital, but it's about 7 TO 8 years late with the skin feeling.
′′ UI, UX, what is that?"" the online salon is profitable?"
Really, I'm in a hurry to move the needle on the clock that has stopped years ago, so it's the current situation that I'm going to have a good time with the tagaytay snipe.
I know you're working hard, but the knowledge of there is overwhelming, so I'm going to see what's trending, and I'm going to have a good time with a lot of people who are in the middle of the day, and I'm going to have a mass production of
It's a row of ′′ it's not that kind of thing
One, as for yoshimoto kogyo's crowdfunding ′′ Silkhat ′′ in front of the launching, I still have a mouth-to-mouth ′′ it's different here, it's like this other than that I don't really understand the service that yoshimoto is planting.
Salvation is the outside director of the biryani, and I think that the case is cool, but it's just that there's only one body of Mr. Bamboo, so I'm going to go to the middle of the day, and I'm going to have a good time with yoshimoto kogyo Covering the services of the.
Yoshimoto is a really big company.
The net is especially the world of the fittest survival, and how wide it is in real society so far, but if it is not right in the era, it will be destroyer in 1 seconds.
It's not a world where people who have been stopping the needle in the clock for many years can survive and survive.
Now, I think that each entertainment office, which has lost the the in corona, is scrambling to make a new source of income ~"
I know I'm going to get this strange expansion, but I think all kinds of offices will start the ′′ Online Salon ′′
The reason to start is ′′ the online salon seems to be profitable
And when it's my likened, almost 100 % fail.
Because I don't understand the structure of ′′ why the direct charge is completed?"
I don't understand the difference between ′′ cognitive ′′ and ′′ popularity ′′ in an intrinsic part.
Imada-San and higashino-San, last time, Mr. Hua-San and chidori-San said, ′′ that's what I wish I could ask nishino to do without knowledge without throwing the flag But that's what I'm saying, but I really think it is.
But employees never listen.
I'm getting an offer for a lecture for employees from a Japanese famous company, but I've never been asked by yoshimoto kogyo.
I don't like it because I'm going to say it myself, but it's actually a problem, crowdfunding is collecting the most support in Japan, and I'm collecting the most members in Japan at the online salon, and I'm going to have the biggest advertising I'm taking it.
... isn't it better to ask for advice if that kind of guy is in this company and in the distance where he can ask for advice casual?
Isn't it better to ask Naomi Watanabe how to operate her instagram?
Isn't it better to have a youtube study session for kazi and olli nakata?
But I don't do that. Why?
It's ′′ pride
The tag called entertainment office and tv is really strong so far, and the talent was only ′′ the existence of use," so I can't say ′′ let me know,"
There are people who are doing it on the front line of the active crunching. This is not spoiled, is it?
If I am the president of yoshimoto kogyo, I will give you 100 yen to nishino, and I will put all employees of yoshimoto in nanbagurando huā yuè, and I will do a marketing course in nishino. Or handing out nishino's book ′′ Fanfare of the revolution ′′ to all employees.
#どうせ西野は100万円を全額寄付します
I think it's a pretty flat opinion from a person with a normal business mind, not a big mouse or tengu.
So, today's chase, ′′ if xin nishino is going to make a entertainment office..." but now, the most era is," the player who leaves the result ′′ Things are not wrong.
There, because all the information is focused. As expected, the person is the most knowledgeable.
On Top of that, if I'm going to make an entertainment office............ I'll bring stocks to the top player.
Rather, I'm going to ask you from the office, and I'm going to have a office stock.
If it is difficult to get stocks, sign up for each business as an adviser fee and pass the percentage of the sales of the office.
If you're on Youtube at yoshimoto kogyo, you'll give a little percentage to kazi and olli nakata as an adviser.
So, kazi and olli nakata are going to elevate yoshimoto kogyo's Youtube, and they are voluntarily going to promote the youtube channel of other yoshimoto comedians.
From now on, I think that the light of ′′ the office that can pass stocks to talent ′′ and ′′ the office that can't give stocks to talent ′′ will be divided greatly.
Today's online salon article, from here, I would like to talk about stepping in further.
Happy birthday!
▼ an article about the latest entertainment business of ryo nishino (1 articles = 2000 to 3000 characters) can be read every morning online salon (almost mail magazine) is here ↓
https://salon.jp/nishino
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Released on December 25, 2020!
The movie in a town ′′
▼ Buy Online Bangabandhu (with perks) here ↓
https://mvtk.jp/Film/070395
▼ here is the screening hall
https://theater.toho.co.jp/toho_theaterlist/poupelle.html#region7Translated
better late than never example 在 Drama-addict Facebook 的最讚貼文
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- และนั่นก็เป็นเหตุผลอีกนั่นแหละว่าทำไมภาพถึงไม่ถูกก็อปไปทันที บางคนช้าไป 3 วัน 5 วัน เพราะว่ามันจะไม่ถูกก็อปจนกว่าจะเข้าหน้าที่มีการใช้งานรูปล่าสุด (เช่น Image Search) มันถึงจะก็อป
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- แล้วแอป ฯ Shopee ก็ไม่ได้เคลียร์รูปเต็มทิ้งถึงแม้จะสร้าง Thumbnail แล้ว (ไม่ได้ตั้งใจ แค่ลืมลบ ซึ่งก็ฟังขึ้นเพราะในโค้ดไม่มีการเข้าถึงไฟล์นี้อีกหลังจากถูกก็อปมา)
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- แล้วก็ดันเกิดบั๊กไปเซฟไฟล์ผิดที่ จากที่ตั้งใจจะก็อปลงพื้นที่ส่วนตัวของแอป ฯ แต่ดันไปเรียกใช้ฟังก์ชั่นผิดอัน ทำให้ไฟล์ไปโผล่ใน External Storage ที่ใครก็เข้าถึงได้แทน จึงเกิดเหตุการณ์นี้ขึ้น
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- หลังจากมีกระทู้ใน Pantip ทาง Shopee ก็แก้เลย แต่ด้วยเวลาที่น้อยมากเลยยังไม่สามารถแก้ลอจิคการสร้าง Thumbnail ให้ดีขึ้นทัน เลยใช้วิธีเก็บลอจิคเดิมไว้แล้วย้ายไปใน Private Folder แทนตามที่เราโพสต์ก่อนหน้านี้ เพื่อแก้บั๊กที่ค่อนข้างซีเรียสแล้วปล่อยก่อน (ซึ่งทำถูกแล้ว)
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- ทาง Shopee รับ Feedback ไปแล้วว่าจะเปลี่ยนวิธีการสร้าง Thumbnail เพื่อไม่ต้องเข้าถึงรูปเต็มอีก ก็จะกลายเป็นวิธีมาตรฐานที่ใช้กันทั่วโลกแทน ดึงภาพ Thumbnail จาก Gallery มาแสดงเลย
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- สำหรับคนที่กังวลว่ารูปที่ถูกก็อปไปจะถูกอัปโหลดไปเก็บมั้ย ทาง Shopee ยืนยันว่าไม่มีการอัปโหลดไปไหนแน่นอน ซึ่งอันนี้ตรงกับที่ดูในโค้ดและดัก Network ดูครับ ไม่เห็นว่ามีอัปโหลดไปไหนนะ
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- สำหรับคนที่สงสัยว่าแล้วโฟลเดอร์ sharing ที่เราเห็นมันมีไว้ทำอะไรกันแน่ ตกลงเป็นโฟลเดอร์ที่เอาไว้ "เก็บไฟล์รูปสินค้าที่เราต้องการแชร์ไปยังแอป ฯ อื่นครับ" ซึ่งทางเทคนิคแล้วแอป ฯ จะต้องก็อปภาพนั้น ๆ ไปเก็บไว้ใน External Storage ก่อนถึงจะแชร์ให้แอป ฯ อื่น (เช่น FB) ได้ อันนี้ยืนยันทางเทคนิคครับ และก็จากโค้ดที่แกะเพิ่มก็ตรงตามที่ชี้แจง ทุกการเรียกเป็นการเอาภาพไปแชร์หมด ไม่ได้มีเพื่อจุดประสงค์อื่น
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- สรุปเรื่องนี้ถือว่าเคลียร์และสมเหตุสมผลครับ ไม่มีอะไรค้างคาใจ
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= เรื่อง AR บันทึกวีดีโอระหว่างเล่นเกม =
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- ความจริงแล้วหน้า AR มีที่ติ๊กถูกให้เลือกบันทึกหน้าจอไว้อยู่ แล้วมัน On โดย Default คิดว่าคนส่วนใหญ่ไม่ทันสังเกตจึงเป็นที่มาของปัญหาครับ
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- วีดีโอที่อัดไว้ไม่มีการอัปโหลดขึ้น Server แต่เอาไว้เผื่อว่ามีใครอยากแชร์ผลการเล่นเกมจะได้แชร์ได้
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- คุยกันยาวเหมือนกัน แต่สรุปแล้วคือคิดว่าปัญหาน่าจะอยู่ที่ UX ส่วนใหญ่ก็เป็นการ Discuss กันว่ามีวิธีไหนจะทำให้ดีขึ้นได้บ้าง เดี๋ยวคงต้องดูรออีกทีว่าตอนมี AR Game รอบหน้า ตัว UX จะปรับปรุงขึ้นมาเพื่อไม่ให้พลาดบันทึกวีดีโอระหว่างเล่นเกมโดยไม่ตั้งใจอย่างไรครับ
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- ตอนนี้ไม่มีแคมเปญ AR รันอยู่ ดังนั้นจึงไม่มี AR ให้เล่น ถึงแม้จะยังไม่ได้ปรับปรุงตรงนี้ตอนนี้ก็ถือว่าปลอดภัยครับ ... เพราะมันไม่มีให้เล่นไง !
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= สรุปของสรุป =
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- ที่ Shopee ยังไม่แถลงก่อนหน้านี้เพราะอยากคุยกับเราและน้องเอกก่อน เพราะเนื้อหาหลายส่วนมันค่อนข้าง Technical
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- เป็นการสนทนาที่แฮปปี้ดีครับ ได้คุยกับ Engineer ตรงเลยทำให้ได้คำตอบที่ต้องการอย่างชัดเจน และทางนั้นรับฟังความคิดเห็นทุกอย่าง อะไรที่คิดว่าพลาดก็บอกว่าพลาดตรง ๆ และจะแก้ไขโดยเร็ว (พร้อมบอกวิธีที่กำลังจะแก้ไข) ซึ่งทั้งหมดที่พลาดจะเป็นการ Implement โค้ดมากกว่าระดับ Policy ครับ เลยสบายใจเรื่อง Privacy ระดับหนึ่งเลย
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- ทางนั้นฝากย้ำมาว่าเค้า Concern เรื่อง Privacy มาก มีจุดยืนเรื่องนี้แบบจริงจัง
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- เท่าที่ดูคิดว่าไม่มีการละเมิดอะไรเกิดขึ้นนะ น่าจะเป็น Bug ตามที่บอก ส่วนเรื่อง AR ก็เป็นเรื่อง UX ที่ต้องปรับปรุงในอนาคต
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ใครลบไปก็พิจารณาลงใหม่ดูได้ครับ คิดว่าไม่น่ามี Issue อะไรแล้วนะ ขอบคุณทาง Shopee กับคำชี้แจงด้วยครับ =)
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#ปิดเคส #โสดอยู่นะ #ลืมไปสามโพสต์ #เดี๋ยวเสียจุดยืน
I have talked to Shopee successfully. I have talked directly to Engineer in Singapore. I got the insights answer as I want. So happy. I have summarized them as I want.
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= Gallery access file =
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- OK, access to ′′ Create Thumbnail so users can choose the latest photos straight from the app which is how they are normally done around the world (this is as many developers predict).
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- But the way that the Shopee app doesn't work is the best way to use (Best Practise) because it's using the big picture to copy it and then it's done. Thumbnail. The Shopee app is also the best way to keep it in Shopee's folder. This cause is displayed in the function required.
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- For example, the Image Search function which has been pulled in 2-3 recent photos shown at the lower right corner (as in the attached photo).
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- And that's why most of the photocopied pics are the latest pics.
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- And that's another reason why the picture doesn't get immediately copied. Some people are 3 days 5 days late because it won't be copied until the last photo is used (like Image Search). I will copy.
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- And the Shopee app doesn't clear the full picture. Even though it's created Thumbnail (I didn't mean to delete it, I just listened to it because I didn't have access to this file after being copied)
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- And then Pushed to save the wrong file from which I intended to block the personal space of the app, but I pushed it to call the wrong function. It caused the file to appear in External Storage that anyone could access. Instead, this happened.
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- After having a thread in Pantip Shopee, I have solved it. But with very little time, I haven't been able to solve the logic. Creating Thumbnail is better. Use the method to collect the original logic and move to Private Folder instead as we posted before. To fix a relatively serious buck, then release early (which is done right)
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- Shopee has received Feedback. Changing the way to create Thumbnail to never access the full picture will become the global standard method instead of the Thumbnail image from Gallery.
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- For those concerned that the photos that were copied will be uploaded to collect. Shopee confirms that there is no upload for sure. This one is the same as looking in the code and trap Network. No. I see where I uploaded it.
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- For those wondering what the sharing folder we see. It's for sure. It's a folder that we ′′ keep the product photo file that we want to share to other apps Technically, the app must be. Let's use this photo to keep it in External Storage before sharing it with other apps (such as FB). This one is technically confirmed. And it's the code that is unpacking. It's as explained in every calling. It's not possible to share it. For another purpose, it is for another purpose.
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- In summary, this story is clear and reasonable. There is nothing to hold my mind.
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= AR story recording video while playing game =
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- In fact, the AR page has a tick to choose from. It's on by Default. I think that most people don't notice. Therefore, it's the source of the problem.
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- The video that has been recorded hasn't been uploaded to Server, but it's up to you in case anyone wants to share the gaming results so you can share.
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- Long talk, but in conclusion, I think that the problem should be in UX it's mostly Discussion that there is a way to get better. I will have to see if there is AR Game next round. UX will improve so that you don't miss it. How to record video while playing the game accidentally?
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- There is no AR running campaign now, so there is no AR to play. Although it hasn't improved here, it's safe now... because there is no play!
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= Summary of Summary =
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- At Shopee, I haven't made a statement before because I want to talk to us and sister Ek first because there are many parts of the content.
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- It's a happy conversation. I talked to Engineer straight. I got the answer that I wanted clearly and I heard everything I thought I missed it. I said I missed it straight away and I will fix it soon (and I will tell you how I'm going to fix it). All I missed. It's going to be an Implement code more than a Policy level. I feel comfortable about Privacy level.
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- That way, please repeat that he Concern is very Privacy. There is a serious stand on this story.
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- As far as I see, there is no violation. Probably Bug as told. AR is a UX that needs to be updated in the future.
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If you delete it, you can consider posting again. I think it shouldn't be an Issue at all. Thank you via Shopee with the clarification. =)
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